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Seems to be caused by {{uc:press statement}}, which likely doesn't need to be in all caps.  Filter is functioning correctly.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 16:06: Wed 24 Jul 2013</span>
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== Wikipediainfo ==
Hey, I notice you used {{tlx|wikipediainfo}} when you created [[Richelle Mead]].  As the template instructions indicate, we don't really want to use {{tlx|wikipediainfo}} on real world pages.  Think of it as a way to give our readers real world information without violating [[T:NO RW]] — not as a substitute for writing a real world article. Thanks! {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 01:05: Sat 07 Sep 2013</span>


Thanks for becoming a member of the TARDIS crew! If you have any questions, see the [[Tardis:Help| Help pages]], add a question to one of [[Forum:Index|the Forums]] or ask on my user talk page.
== Plagiarism question ==
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== Wales crew ==
Re your question at [[thread:142060]]:


Hello and welcome to our community!  I assume you're the IP editor who requested some changes made to [[tl|Wales crew}} a few weeks back. I wanted to hold off making changes to it, because I rather suspect I'm going to have to make a ''ton'' of changes due to the differing styles necessary for ''Miracle Day''. I did want to assure you that it's on my radar to change, but I wanted to do a lot of changes at once, rather than nickle and diming it.  I also wanted to take some time to review the credits on UK transmission as opposed to those on US transmission of ''MIracle Day''.
It's my opinion that when it comes to plagiarism, better safe than sorry. If there is a substantial amount of text that seems to have been lifted from another site, it's gotta go. I think what has happened with some of the older stories is that it was copied word for word, but over the years numerous editors have added and subtracted text, but it's still basically plagiarism.


So my plan, at present, is this. I'm going to wait until the end of July.  by that time, I'll have copies of a few episodes of ''Torchwood'' from both transmissions. I'll then be able to have a fairly representative slice of series 4 credits and be able to figure out a decent way to code the thing.  I may well have to make a completely different template, anyway, because ''New World'' credits were pretty radically different than anything else so far. 
If you're up for rewriting any of the plot summaries, go for it. I don't want to cause you extra work, but I think in the long run it's less work to rewrite than to check sections back and forth and correct here and there. Don't forget to put an "in use" tag if you feel you need it. Thanks a bunch! [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:34, September 26, 2013 (UTC)


Until a further announcement, please don't use {{tl|wales crew}} on ''Miracle Day'' episodes.  You may see me making an attempt to use it, but this is just for testing, and doesn't signal that it's okay to proceed generally with the template. 
== Torchwood ==


Thanks — and it's great to have another user dedicated to getting the credits right on our story pages!  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''00:44:41 Thu&nbsp;'''14 Jul 2011&nbsp;</span>
I wonder if you could do me a favor. I was looking through the plot summary for ''[[Day One]]'', and there's a scene where the rest of the Torchwood crew is discussing what they know about Jack. There is a sentence in the middle of this section that says: "Ianto think she's CIA." I haven't seen this episode, so I don't know if Ianto is talking about Jack and it's a typo, or if he's talking about Gwen, who is referred to in the previous sentence. Do you have any idea which is correct? Thanks! [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:26, September 29, 2013 (UTC)
:Cool. I don't want this to stop your work on other seasons of other series, though.  It's so awesome to have someone else who wants to do this work! Please just keep doing what you're doing.  When you run across a credit that doesn't yet exist as a variable, pick a variable name, assign the person to that new variable, and write the variable at [[template talk:Wales crew]].  I ''promise'' I'll get to it.  And if you have any suggestions about how to make the thing work better, let me hear those too.   Thanks :)  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''00:58:01 Thu&nbsp;'''14 Jul 2011&nbsp;</span>
:Thanks! I went ahead and fixed it, and if you or someone else later find that it's wrong, it can be fixed. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:14, September 29, 2013 (UTC)


::Yep, not only are your new variables in, I've begun the process of ''Miracle Day''-ing the template.  You'll find that the latest episode, ''[[Dead of Night]], has the MD version of {{tl|Wales crew}} already installed.  You may certainly feel free to populate the form with the credits after 2300 EST today. I haven't quite worked out all the formatting, but that doesn't matter.  I've filled out the details on ''[[The New World]]'', but haven't quite gotten to ''Rendition'' just yet. Important thing at this stage is simply to have the data in the form; I'll be tweaking things this weekend to get it all displaying properly. The blank form is in a special ''Miracle Day'' section over at {{tl|Wales crew}}.  Please note that I have detected very slight differences between the Starz and BBC One versions' credits on ep 1, thought I'm not sure that'll necessarily be the case in other episodes.  Still, it'd be helpful to me if, when you're filling in things, you noted which version your info comes from, so that I know that I need to verify it against the ''other'' version.   
== Something about preloads ==
Didn't you sometime, somewhere, within the last month say something about preloads needed to be fixed? I was looking around for that comment today but couldn't find it.  If I've got the wrong man, please forgive me. But if I've got the right one, please jog my memory. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 19:36: Fri 11 Oct 2013</span>
:That must be it! Thanks! {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 15:18: Sat 12 Oct 2013</span>
== Help ==
Hey, can I prevail upon you for a little bit of immediate help.  Any chance that you could do the crew lists for the last four eps of 7b today?  I know, I know: it's my own fault for not fixing {{tlx|wales crew}} sooner, but if you could help with that, I'd be mighty appreciative.  If you can't, though, lemme know.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 15:18: Sat 12 Oct 2013</span>


::Thanks, as always, for your help with this stuff.   
== Tomato check tracking ==
Well, I put this in the thread, but it's really hard to read it there.  I thought you might like to see it at full width.  This chart tells you which episodes you ''don't'' need to worry about anymore, as they've already been touched by two editors. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 01:05: Tue 15 Oct 2013</span>
{{tomato check}}


::Oh, you may have noticed that I took some of the rigid column structure away from the top box.  This should help SJA and TW pages, which don't necessarily have all 12 main credits, to have "neater" headline credits. I'm still going to be playing around with the basic formatting, because honestly it all's looking a bit tired.  But, anyway, for the moment, I hope you'll find it's improved a bit for non-DW episodes. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''22:51:41 Fri&nbsp;'''22 Jul 2011&nbsp;</span>
== Chat ==
When you have a moment, could you please stop by chat? Thanks :) (It's nothing bad, don't worry.) {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 19:41: Tue 15 Oct 2013</span> 19:41, October 15, 2013 (UTC)


:::Yeah, you're prolly gonna find glitches from time to time over the next few days.  It's mindnumbingly painstaking work, and sometimes I "drop a stitch", as it were.  Oh, and minor thing, but could you please put a link to this talk page in your signature? It helps with communication — and [[tardis:signature policy|it's da law]]. :) {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''23:13:03 Fri&nbsp;'''22 Jul 2011&nbsp;</span>
== Kath Braxton? ==
::Okay, I think the template has now been fixed to handle ''Miracle Day''.  I left you [[Rendition (TV story)]] to try the new template on.  Just remember to cut and paste the T:MD form from {{tl|Wales crew}}, and you should find that it'll take you at most five minutes to enter the variables.  There is one remaining problem that I see, and it's that the "costume" section appears as empty.  This is because headings are turned off or on on the basis of either the page name or by testing to see whether a variable that always appears in that section is present.  The costume department it weird, because there is no single credit which has always appeared in all three programmes, so there's nothing to test for.  I think ultimately I'll just have to test for the ten episode names, but my mind's a li'l tired of looking at this very detailed coding. 


::Point is, it's ready for use with MD, and it should be working better with other series. Let me know if you notice problems with it.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''00:24:46 Tue&nbsp;'''26 Jul 2011&nbsp;</span>
I guess I don't understand why the lead-in to the Tenth Doctor article, the identity of his incarnation, depends on the attestation of a minor character from a comic that a lot of people on here probably haven't read. Clara specified that her Doctor was the Eleventh Doctor, but if I added that, I'm willing to bet it would be deleted within a day. [[User:TARDIStraveler|TARDIStraveler]] [[User talk:TARDIStraveler|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:25, October 23, 2013 (UTC)


== [[Forum:Story pages should have reception sections]] ==
== Cleanup edits ==


The above-named forum thread got additional formatting after you posted your thoughts. I wasn't quite clear which of the two sections best represented your views. Please return to the thread to confirm that your thoughs are under the appropriate heading. Thanks.  :) {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''15:27:42 Fri&nbsp;'''15 Jul 2011&nbsp;</span>
Hey, I just wanted to let you know that your recent many cleanup edits have not gone unnoticed or unappreciated. I noticed that you've been concentrating a lot on stuff that relates to 2005-Doctor Who. That's probably going to help with the Rotten Tomatoes stuff. Thanks for all your hard work! [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:10, November 17, 2013 (UTC)
{{Christmas greetings}}


== Tooth and Claw ==
== SOTO nomination ==
The admin nomination for [[User:SmallerOnTheOutside]] is drawing swiftly to a close.  Did you have any thoughts on it? [[Tardis:User rights nominations|Please go here if you do.]] {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 00:02: Wed 01 Jan 2014</span>


So there's a couple hundred links to [[Tooth and Claw (TV story)|Tooth and Claw]].  Are we certain these should all be moved to [[Tooth and Claw (TV story)]]? {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''13:55:30 Sat&nbsp;'''23 Jul 2011&nbsp;</span>
== Capitol ==
:You misunderstand my question.  Obviously our [[tardis:disambiguation policy|disambiguation policy]] calls for the move.  I've been kinda waiting to see how long it would take someone to notice.  It's kinda amused me that no one has noticed, and yet we've had fierce battles of ''The End of Time'', a much later story.  (The answer, by the way, is: five years, three months).  The question I had for you is whether anyone involved here — you, Mini-mitch or Skittles — has actually checked the list of links to [[Tooth and Claw (TV story)|Tooth and Claw]] to verify that they all are meant to be links to the TV episode.  The bot can take care of the re-linking in a matter of minutes, but it can't contextualise anything.  It has no idea whether a particular link is ''meant'' to be for the comic strip or the TV story.  So what's needed here is for someone to just check to make sure that anything currently linking to [[Tooth and Claw (TV story)|Tooth and Claw]] is meant to be pointing towards the TV story.  Once that's verified, the actual changeover is a snap.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''14:15:29 Sat&nbsp;'''23 Jul 2011&nbsp;</span>
Why you add my edit in capitol it was correct watch the end of time you see--[[User:Doctor other|Doctor other]] [[User talk:Doctor other|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:31, February 17, 2014 (UTC)
::(Oh, and thanks for making an attempt to comply with [[tardis:signature policy]], but you're not quite there yet.  There must be a link both to [[user:Tybort]] and [[user talk:Tybort]] in your sig.)
:::Hey, I notice you're hand-editing link moves to [[Tooth and Claw (TV story)]].  You know you don't have to do that, right?  All I'm looking for is that you or Skittles or Mini-Mitch or someone verifies that each one of the links to [[Tooth and Claw (TV story)|Tooth and Claw]] is meant to be to the TV story.  Once that happens, it's a matter of minutes before everything gets changed over.  It's kind of a waste of your time to physically make the changes to [[Tooth and Claw (TV story)]] yourself.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''17:40:36 Sat&nbsp;'''23 Jul 2011&nbsp;</span>
:::::Okay.  Well, I don't have time today to look at each and every link to make sure it's liking to the TV Story.  So I'm going off [[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]'s word that it's okay to proceed with the bot.  '''The bot is therefore running.'''  Pleas do not hand-edit any Tooth and Claw links for the rest of the day, just to be on the safe side.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''19:32:37 Sat&nbsp;'''23 Jul 2011&nbsp;</span>
Changeover complete.  There were like 6 highly random serials which claimed a link to [[Tooth and Claw]], but when I went to the page and actually did a search for the word "tooth" in edit mode, I came up with nothing.  So I have no idea what the link is.  Maybe it's a template, but damned if I know what the link is between ''[[The Mysterious Planet]]'', ''[[The Invasion of Time'' and ''Tooth and Claw''.  The page [[Tooth and Claw]] has now been deleted, as we need 3 pages for a disambig, and because keeping it around will only encourage more improper linkage.  In a day or so, when the MediaWiki software clears its cache and "catches up", the two Tooth and Claws, and only those two, will present themselves on autosuggest, and people will start to "get" how to link to these stories. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''23:43:50 Sat&nbsp;'''23 Jul 2011&nbsp;</span>


==Doctor image==
== Theory page ==
Not sure how you missed it. After spin-off media was proven to be as much a part of the image as any other image, the discussion moved onto layout.
So sorry but you edit on Theory:Timeline Last Great Time War unreasonable--[[User:Doctor other|Doctor other]] [[User talk:Doctor other|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:36, March 2, 2014 (UTC)


An image with all the Master on was created and introduced, but subsequently removed per the discussion as the layout was under scrutiny. This does take up about half the argument so I'm really not sure why you're confused.
== How to delete pictures ==
Can you show me how ı delete a picture ?--[[User:Doctor other|Doctor other]] [[User talk:Doctor other|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:19, March 3, 2014 (UTC)


Anyway, until a layout for both images is decided upon, the field should remain blank.--{{User:Skittles the hog/sig}} 14:34, July 26, 2011 (UTC)
== The War ==
Cult of the Black Sun (created by faction paradox) and the Order of the Black Sun are the same ? If they are war between order and the time lord is part of THE WAR.--[[User:Doctor other|Doctor other]] [[User talk:Doctor other|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:55, March 6, 2014 (UTC)


== Best practices for categories being moved ==
Cult of the Black Sun (created by faction paradox) and the Order of the Black Sun are the same ? If they are war between order and the time lord is part of THE WAR.--[[User:Doctor other|Doctor other]] [[User talk:Doctor other|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:31, March 6, 2014 (UTC)


Hi :)  If you notice that pages are being moved from one category to another, '''please''' don't flag it with {{tl|delete}}.  This prevents the bot from automatically deleting the old category.  Thanks :) {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''20:12:56 Sun&nbsp;'''14 Aug 2011&nbsp;</span>
== Deleted images ==


{{Please see|A second look at wiki achivements}} {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''17:03:06 Mon&nbsp;'''22 Aug 2011&nbsp;</span>
I just wanted to say thanks for tagging all those images for deletion. I think I got all of them. Thanks! [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:23, March 6, 2014 (UTC)


== Incarnations of River ==
== Silents Vs. the Silent ==


Please don't create categories for River's incarnation as there is or is going to be a discussion as to whether we have incarnation pages for her or not. Thanks. --[[User:Revanvolatrelundar|Revan]]\[[User_talk:Revanvolatrelundar|Talk]] 14:43, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
The correct plural form of Silent is The Silent. There is no 'S'. If you are referring to the religious order, "The Silence" is proper. - [[User talk:Masterpwn|Masterpwn]] (Previously unsigned)


== The Met ==
== Season four category ==


Thanks for sorting out the [[Metropolitan Police Service]] chaps into the category. I completely forgot about unnamed characters, so at least someone's on the ball.--{{User:Skittles the hog/sig}} 19:17, August 31, 2011 (UTC)
I just wanted to thank you for the edits you made removing the "characters of season four" category. I knew there was something wrong with it, but couldn't place why, so I asked the user to hold off creating any more. I've now asked him/her not to continue the project (using your edit summary as the reason), and I deleted the one category that's been created so far. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:37, June 3, 2014 (UTC)


== Wales crew ==
== I need your help understanding your reason ==


Phew.  I think I'm done with the current "to do" list on variable names at [[template talk:Wales crew]].  The only one I haven't put in is the simple "designer" credit, cause I need to do some research on that to figure out what kind of designer it's most likely to be.


I haven't yet added these new variables into [[template:wales crew/doc]]. I may do that today; I may not.  It's incredibly tedious work and I'm feeling like a little less strenuous editing.
''"The Marilyn Monroe stuff is edging too much into T:NO RW. I don't think the story says anything other than "woman standing with Eleven, Sinatra and Santa Claus in that photograph","'' was what you said when you removed that section I put on the [[Model]] page.


The biggest current issue with the template is that the UK crew stuff on Miracle Day isn't working as expected.  So you may experience the absence of that section from the few pages that have it.   Otherwise, do take a look around and notify me of any errors you find.
I'm sorry, but did you seriously do that without reading the links I connected it to at all? Because it appears so. Yes. That's a bit bunt and could be considered impolite, but I would appreciate an explanation for removing my work. An explanation that proves you looked at the links I connected to the paragraph for the convenience of readers, like you were.


As always, thanks '''so much''' for helping with this project. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''20:33:09 Thu&nbsp;'''01 Sep 2011&nbsp;</span>
In the episode ''A Christmas Carol'', we see the Doctor leave the party with Marilyn. At the end of the episode, Rory answers a phone call from her, and the Doctor tells her to tell her the chapel wasn't ligament. Here's straight out of the episode article ''(Which I had a link to in the bit I posted)'': "A few minutes later, the Doctor finds the couple kissing passionately, but impatiently requests to leave, as he has accidentally become engaged to Marilyn Monroe; he leaves with her nevertheless." At the end of the episode, "Rory pops out of the TARDIS, saying he answered the phone; Marilyn has called the Doctor. The Doctor tells Rory to inform Marilyn that he will call her back, "and that was never a real chapel"."


== Cyber-ship vs Cyber Ship ==
And, may I ask what this picture you speak of is? I don't remember it.


Thanks for attempting to sort out the [[Cyber Ship]]. As you cleanup tag says, some clarity is needed over the differences between the two, but without a clear indication of who the [[Cybermen]] in ''[[The Pandorica Opens (TV story)|The Pandoica Opens]]'' and ''[[A Good Man Goes to War]]'' are, we're pretty much stumped. The fact that article is a tip doesn't help, it seems to be in need of [[Contingency Plan A]]. Thanks again--{{User:Skittles the hog/sig}} 12:37, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
And please, don't get me wrong. I am upset (who wouldn't be if some of their hard work was taken down with a reason they didn't understand.), but I still have an open mind. From what I know, and the information I've received, I can only conclude that you were not aware to what I was referring. So here I am, trying to explain.


== Racist vandalism at [[Chloe Webber]] ==
You are more experienced at wiki-ing than me, so I am asking for your help in understanding. But I like to think I am a hardcore Whovian when it comes to the reboot series. I think I know what I'm talking about with this episode.


Oh yeah, I'm the right guy for that kinda thing.  Anytime you see obvious '''racist''' remarks send me or any active [[tardis:administrators|admin]] the bat signal.  You can gimme a jingle if there's simple foul language, at your leisure — but ''racism'' I definitely want to know about immediately.  So thanks for the heads up!  The IP is blocked forever, but that doesn't mean the user won't just sprout a new IP and return.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''00:47:19 Wed&nbsp;'''07 Sep 2011&nbsp;</span>
Will you do me a favor and read [[Marilyn Monroe]] and [[A Christmas Carol (TV story)]]? Then, will you please reconsider removing that section?


== Terserus out of the box ==
Thank you for your time, and again, I'm sorry for sounding so blunt.


Done.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''02:11:50 Thu&nbsp;'''08 Sep 2011&nbsp;</span>
--[[User:Rebazim|Rebazim]] [[User talk:Rebazim|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:31, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
==Torchwood cats==
I have left a message on [[user:Redranger241|Redranger241]]'s page explaining the necessity of edit summaries, and the presence of an active discussion about ths substantive issues surrounding those particular categories' names.  However, I wouldn't get too worked up abut these Torchwood categories at the present time. My guess is that they won't remain as they are, anyway.  If we ultimately do decide to move the history of Torchwood on to the one page — so that it's all just [[Torchwood]] — then any allies/enemies categories are going to be folded into [[:category:Torchwood enemies]] or [[:cateogory:Torchwood allies]], anyway.  Technically, there's no real distinction.  It's not like enemies of Torchwood 3 '''aren't''' enemies of the Torchwood Institute.  I mean, if you offend one part of a chartered organisation, you offend the organisation entire.  Likewise, if you're a friend of Torchwood Three, you're a friend of Torchwood, period.  We would have to have a category like "21st centry Torchwood Three allies' before we could get a distinction between Torchwood Three's interests and the Torchwood Institute's.  It's Jack's reaction against Torchwood's stance at Canary Wharf that starts to make the distinction between T3 and Torchwood as a whole.  So it's not even 21st century Torchwood Three, nor is it even  Torchwood Three under Jack, because we know he takes over Torchwood Three on Jan 1 2000.  The split doesn't happen until the summer of 2007, at Canary Wharf.  The Doctor, for example, is an official enemy of Torchwood Three for many decades while Jack is working there, as we learn in ''[[Fragments (TV story)|Fragments]]''. 


So what I'm saying is simple. At the end of the day, there are [[:category:Torchwood enemies]] and [[:category:Torchwood allies]] — and that's it.  Any other distinction we make is kinda "wobbly".
Alright. I guess I can accept that....--[[User:Rebazim|Rebazim]] [[User talk:Rebazim|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:31, June 4, 2014 (UTC)


The only specifically Torchwood Three cat that is logically arguable is [[:category:Torchwood Three personnel|Torchwood Three personnel]],  because you can say that Yvonne is a member of Torchwood but not Torchwood Three.  Personally, though, I think it's silly for our organisational structure to be based on a throwaway line that many people won't even remember at this point.  It was a big deal in series 1, but how long has it been since we've even heard the term "Torchwood Three"?  A long damn time, I think.  Long enough that the average user of the site won't be thinking that's how the info should be categorised.  But, like I said, I can see that the personnel category is arguable.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">19:39: Mon&nbsp;19 Sep 2011&nbsp;</span>
== Images ==


== Nintendo ==
Those page images are taken. Put yours somewhere else or find empty pages. --[[User:Buckimion|Buckimion]] [[User talk:Buckimion|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 02:20, October 31, 2014 (UTC)


I dont think the pae nintendo is relevent. {{Unsigned|CharmeRuler}}
== Thank you... ==
:Per your request, a message was left on [[user talk:CharmeRuler]], with a view towards explaining the distinction between "real world" and "from the real world", as practised on this wiki. The addition of {{tl|real world}} was reverted by me, with clear edit summary given. In chat today, however, he still seemed ''intrigued'' by this particular article. 


:Because your read of the situation is unassailably correct, I am deputising you as an administrator with respect to the protection of [[Nintendo]]. Should you find that he is continuing to put {{tl|real world}} on it, or if you find that he is trying to move the page to a name which would logically displace it from its in-universe status, you may revert '''however many times is necessary''' to keep [[Nintendo]] an in-universe article with the name "[[Nintendo]]". 
... for your work about the Black Sun War pages! Especially for the missing ones. --- [[User:HarveyWallbanger|HarveyWallbanger]] [[User talk:HarveyWallbanger|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:35, December 9, 2014 (UTC)


:'''You may not be accused of edit warring for any actions deemed necessary to the pursuit of the above goal.'''
==Hyperion==
Crap! Sorting it now. Thanks for letting me know. :) --[[User:Revanvolatrelundar|Revan]]\[[User_talk:Revanvolatrelundar|Talk]] 12:54, December 10, 2014 (UTC)


:Thanks for your concern for the integrity of "from the real world" pages. 
==Past tense in direct quotations==
Hey there. Regarding your edits to the quote in the lead for [[Dalek]], do you know if it is the policy at this project to alter direct character quotations into the past tense? I have looked through 6~7 MoS/policy articles and could not find a direct answer, so I'm uncertain. Either way, this line: ''"[i]nside that shell, there [was] a creature born to hate, whose only thought [was] to destroy everything and everyone that [wasn't] a Dalek, too."'' is very brutal to read. If it isn't policy, are you okay with me changing it back to a direct quote? And if it is policy to force verbatim character lines to be in the past tense, are you okay with having this paraphrased? [[User:Blue Rook|Blue Rook]] [[User talk:Blue Rook|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:31, December 18, 2014 (UTC)


:{{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">20:08: Thu&nbsp;22 Sep 2011&nbsp;</span>
== Re: The Eye of Torment ==


{{Please see|Page Creation time}} [[User:Mini-mitch|MM]]/<small>[[User talk:Mini-mitch|Want to talk?]]</small> 22:25, October 1, 2011 (UTC)
No problem. The only reason I knew what to do is that I've seen it used in source mode before. Previously, I had tried using the "|" and it didn't work. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:35, January 13, 2015 (UTC)


== News anchors ==
== Andy-Frankham Allen ==


I've reverted you at [[News anchor (The Wedding of River Song)]], and here's why. Common titles should ''always'' be [[dab]]-ed, because we simply can't assert that "there's not another news anchor (or secretary, or nurse, or waiter, or bartender or whatever)" out there.  And indeed, there ''are'' at least two other credited news anchors out there, in the shape of the [[KKBE News Anchor]]s from the TVM. This means there should be a page at [[news anchor]] which describes what the job is, and gives a bit of [[dab]] help to people find the right one.  It's probably a good idea to '''never''' assume that any person credited by their job is the only one doing that job in the DWU, or the only one that '''will ''ever''''' do that job.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">02:11: Tue&nbsp;04 Oct 2011&nbsp;</span>
Hey, I just wanted to let you know that I changed the Andy-Frankham Allen page you created to a redirect, as he had previously written stories under the name of [[Andy Frankham]]. The only reason I know this is because he wrote some Short Trips stories, which is an area of the wiki I focus on. Thanks! [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:13, February 11, 2015 (UTC)


== 2009 ==
== Companion Chronicle numbering ==


I found the quote, "You find it all so difficult. GCSEs and Judoon. Your parents and Sarah Jane Smith." Is that the only reference? 'Cause it wouldn't rule out that she already took a GCSE in the summer. The wikipedia page for "General Certificate of Secondary Education" says they're taken by students aged 14-16. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] <sup>[[User talk:Noneofyourbusiness|talk to me]]</sup> 21:44, October 11, 2011 (UTC)
Hey Tybort. I just want to call your attention to [[Talk:The Sleeping Blood (audio story)]]. Thanks. '''[[User:PicassoAndPringles|<span style="color:#002B7F">P&amp;P</span>]] [[User_talk:PicassoAndPringles|<span style="color:#FCD116;font-size:0.6em">talk</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/PicassoAndPringles|<span style="color:#CE1126;font-size:0.6em">contribs</span>]]''' 16:48, June 4, 2015 (UTC)


On the other hand, Sarah Jane says that Luke is 15 in "The Gift", and going by the Wikipedia article "Education in England", he would have to turn 16 before starting Lower Sixth. Correct? -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] <sup>[[User talk:Noneofyourbusiness|talk to me]]</sup> 23:14, October 11, 2011 (UTC)
==Colour in B&W==
We found out the colour of Daleks, the Doctor's eyes and the ring from seeing behind-the-scenes photographs that were taken in colour. Plus, with a keen eye and enough experience, one can see through the black-and-white format to deduce the colour of things.[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:13, August 17, 2015 (UTC)


Aha! Clyde takes GCSE Biology in "The Gift". But, although specific results are maddeningly elusive, my Google search does seem to say that there are GCSE's in autumn as well as summer. And it seems strange that there could be enough time for "The Mad Woman in the Attic", "The Wedding of Sarah Jane Smith" (including two weeks and a few days before the actual wedding), "The Eternity Trap", "Mona Lisa's Revenge" and "The Gift" after June 23 (when Samuel Lloyd turned 15) and before mid-July (when summer term ends, according to [[wikipedia:Academic_term#United_Kingdom]]). Your thoughts would be appreciated. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] <sup>[[User talk:Noneofyourbusiness|talk to me]]</sup> 00:14, October 12, 2011 (UTC)
== Galleries ==


And there are no regular American exams in the summer (for Maria to be taking). American schools offer summer courses only for remedial purposes or extra subjects of interest. Though that could be down to ignorance on the part of the writer. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] <sup>[[User talk:Noneofyourbusiness|talk to me]]</sup> 02:55, October 12, 2011 (UTC)
Thank you, thank you, thank you for making the edit at [[Apology cue cards]]. I '''knew''' there was a policy against galleries, but I could not for the life of me remember where it was. (I forgot to check the Help namespace.) [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:54, October 4, 2015 (UTC)


Actually, it occurs to me that it was Sarah Jane who said Sam Lloyd was 15 in "Mad Woman", and that was before Mr. Smith said his birthdate, so she was approximating and (based on the time that would have to elapse between this episode and the mid-July end of term over the course of Series 3) it probably wasn't June 23 yet. It's still odd that Sarah Jane says "Clyde's got exams coming up". Unless it's a subject-based thing (like art) or Clyde is somehow in a younger year than Luke (which would also make Series 5 autumn instead of summer), in defiance of the normal laws of time. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] <sup>[[User talk:Noneofyourbusiness|talk to me]]</sup> 14:10, October 12, 2011 (UTC)
== Leamington Spa Lifeboat Museum ==
One of the series 2 websites was the "Leamington Spa Lifeboat Museum". It was heavily implied to be a Torchwood Base. The game "Security Bot" takes place inside the base. The website is now gone, but the game can still be played on the official Dr. Who website. {{Unsigned|TheChampionOfTime}}


Ah, odd no longer. I had only been able to find a transcript, but now I've reviewed the scene in question. It makes sense for Sarah Jane to only mention Clyde, because Luke wasn't onboard and Rani had stepped out of the room for the moment. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] <sup>[[User talk:Noneofyourbusiness|talk to me]]</sup> 15:06, October 12, 2011 (UTC)
He explicitly said 2 billion years and since Rigsy was alive around this time...


==City of the Daleks and bot theory==
== Talk:Clara ==
Hey, you likely wouldn't know anything about the details of bot operation, so understand that '''I'm not angry at all'''.  I'd much rather have ''slightly'' incorrect attempts at disambiguation than no-one caring at all.


So please don't detect the slightest hint of disappointment when I say: please just alert me to a disambiguation that needs to be done.  Please don't even rename the article, when there already exists another title of the same name.  It makes it considerably harder to use the bot. Also, never hand-edit any links to a new name.  It's a waste of your time.  The bot can do these things in one swift run, so long as you '''touch nothing''' and just ask for help.
P&P got to it before me. But thanks for pointing it out!{{User:SOTO/sig}} 01:37, December 25, 2015 (UTC)
 
Also, don't create a disambig page for just two titles.  I know you will still find examples of this elsewhere on the wiki, but that habit came, I guess, from a time when autosuggestion wasn't a major feature of Wikia architecture.  Nowadays, the minimum required is three, because it's sufficient to put a [[dab]] ''note'' on top of each article and be done with it.  In fact, it's really not even necessary to put a [[dab]] note when both terms are dab-ed, because the search and autosuggest features will show you (when the cache catches up) that there is a thing called [[City of the Dalks video game)]] and [[City of the Daleks (comic story)]].


And that brings us to a matter of [[dab]] theory.  Disambiguation of real world items should be done using the same dab terms.  This is a relatively new concept so even I will have been "guilty" of creating [[City of the Daleks (comic strip)]].  The dab term is merely a standard name for the '''medium'''.  So (The Adventure Games) and (comic strip) are wrong; (video game) and (comic story) are correct.  Readers (and bots!) must be able to expect that disambiguation happens in a regular, predictable way, or they'll get lost.  Imagine if we sometimes dab-ed by (television), (TV), (TV story) and (TV Story).  It'd be chaos.  Because people tend to care more about TV stories, the standard dab of (TV story) has stuck there, without incident, for years.  But we've been slower to standardise non-TV stories.  So both your and my confusion is understandable. But that period of confusion is ending.
== 4.5 Billion ==


The bot process will be finished within a matter of minutes. If you are currently hand-editing any links over to COTD (The Adventure Games), please '''stop now''', as this will cause unnecessary edit conflicts, and thereby delay the cleanup process. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.  
Clearly you can't measure the doctor's age by his body. He regenerates often, and teleports often. If you were to do that, he would be a few days old when he finally got to Gallifrey. Is the age the Doctor states correct? No, the Doctor lies. His age is measured by his timestream and consciousness. When the previous bodies were destroyed he got to keep the memories as they were still part of his timestream. They took a while to integrate, but they eventually did, just like it can take you a while to remember things when you wake up in the morning, or when he regenerates. So then those sections of his timestream weren't erased from his timeline even though he got a body that had been restored to a point before those events occurred. He lived them, and remembered them. They are part of his timeline. Thus, he is now 4.5 billion years old. According to who? According to logic. {{unsigned|Sadanyagci}}


As to another of our projects, I have not forgotten about my duties on {{tl|Wales crew}}.  I did just want to hit the end of SJA before I made my next round of adjustments.  So please keep noting what's gone wrong, as you have in the past.  It'll all get revamped by the end of the month, at the latest.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">19:30: Thu&nbsp;13 Oct 2011&nbsp;</span>
==Wish You Were Here==
Oh, you've just reminded me!  There was a kind of unresolved disambig case study about this particular situation, because it's quite unusual.  [[Forum:Disambiguation case study: Wish You Were Here]] predates your involvement on the wiki, I think, so if you wanna swing by there and give some thoughts, that'd be good.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">23:21: Thu&nbsp;13 Oct 2011&nbsp;</span>
==More bot theory==
If you tell me "disambiguate '''Borrowed Time''' to '''Borrowed Time (comic story)'''", then I'm going to assume that all '''current''' links to Borrowed Time are for the comic story.  It is therefore preferred that you manually move any links to Borrowed Time that ''should be'' for Borrowed Time (novel).  However, if you absolutely can't do that, I will accept a list of which links should go where.  That will at least serve as a guide to help me properly disambiguate.


In other words, yes, please do move the links meant for '''Borrowed Time (novel)'''.
== Zygon ==
It did say that the staff seen were Zygons, I can't remember how but it did pal. [[User:DENCH-and-PALMER|DENCH-and-PALMER]] [[User talk:DENCH-and-PALMER|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 08:52, January 11, 2016 (UTC)


As for ''Judgement Day'', what a mess.  The only thing we can do about it now is to check ''both'' WhatLinksHere lists carefully to make sure that the lists are wholly linking to the proper page.  Then, and only then, can we do a switch to (PREFIX audio story).  Let me know if you can take care of this checking, or if I need to do it.  This one is the higher priority of the two disambigs you've brought to me today, as the names will obviously create the most confusion.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">15:54: Sat&nbsp;15 Oct 2011&nbsp;</span>
== A Christmas Carol ==


{{please see|What makes a rumour?}} [[User:Mini-mitch|MM]]/<small>[[User talk:Mini-mitch|Want to talk?]]</small> 17:42, October 28, 2011 (UTC)
''A Christmas Carol'' did have a brief scene on Earth - the Doctor takes young Kazran to Hollywood and accidentally marries Marilyn Monroe. [[User:JagoAndLitefoot|JagoAndLitefoot]] [[User talk:JagoAndLitefoot|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:44, January 13, 2016 (UTC)


== Shug, Magda ==
===School Reunion===
Actually, you're lucky in these cases.
"The contradiction is all of School Reunion." Because in Dreamland and School Reunion Sarah's apparently not seen the Doctor since The Hand of Fear? Putting "according to one account" on every encounter of theirs back to The Five Doctors doesn't make sense. "According to one account" only works where it's obvious what the contradiction is. So Dreamland and School Reunion could have "according to one account, Sarah and the Doctor hadn't met since she stopped traveling with him.", and it'll make sense that the contradiction is with all of the earlier listed encounters. [[User:Fwhiffahder|Fwhiffahder]] [[User talk:Fwhiffahder|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:38, January 15, 2016 (UTC)


There's a third [[Shug]] that should be on the list [[Monektoni Shug]], so [[Shug]] should certainly be a [[dab]] page.  ([[Shug (species)]] should be moved to [[Shug (Walking to Babylon)]], but I'll take care of that). 
== Fat Controller Vandalism ==


Likewise, there's a third [[Magda]] out there from the 7th Doctor Key2Time crossover Companion Chronicle.  I can't remember if she's ever given a last name, but she's the wife of a character named [[Zinc]].  So let's provisionally call her [[Magda (The Prisoner's Dilemma)]].
Its not vandalism to say the Controller is fat - its what he'she's called --[[Special:Contributions/90.199.121.253|90.199.121.253]]<sup>[[User talk:90.199.121.253#top|talk to me]]</sup> 13:48, January 18, 2016 (UTC)


So, in both cases you scrape by with just enough for a dab page.  Well done! {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">20:29: Fri&nbsp;11 Nov 2011&nbsp;</span>
== September 14th ==
:To answer your latest query, if there were ''just'' two, you'd do exactly what you said.  Put<pre>:''You may be looking for [[whatever|the other character of the same name]].''</pre>or language to that effect. You'd generally want to put a tiny two or three word bit of language in there to distinguish the other page.  So something like, "You may be looking for the director of the same name," or "You may be looking for the Third Doctor's companion of the same name", or whatever.


:But, again, in these two cases, we need a disambig page, so you just have to add the third character to the pages you've already created. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">20:34: Fri&nbsp;11 Nov 2011&nbsp;</span>
What year --[[Special:Contributions/90.199.121.253|90.199.121.253]]<sup>[[User talk:90.199.121.253#top|talk to me]]</sup> 13:50, January 18, 2016 (UTC)
== Constantine ==


Tricky one, this. These are the things I know:
Hello Tybort, please go and check out the Doctor Who Reviews Wiki. Where you can review Doctor Who Stories! Go to: http://doctor-who-reviews.wikia.com/wiki/Doctor_Who_Reviews_Wikia
* [[Constantine]] should definitely be a disambig page.  There's
** Emperor Constantine, who's perhaps more prominent in [[The Council of Nicaea]] than [[Shadowmind]].
** Dr [[Constantine (The Empty Child)]] (which I've just moved)
** [[Susannah Constantine]]
** [[Constantine Ethelred Gurney]].
** [[Constantine (The Parliament of Rats)]]
** King [[Constantine (The Shadows of Avalon)]]
So that's more than enough to call for a disambig page.  


So what should we call an historical figure like Emperor Constantine?
Thank You!
(Sorry if this is annoying)


Honestly, I don't have a great answer for you.  I don't think the normal disambig rules apply, because it's not really like a character that starts in one story and continues through several others.  The appearances in ''Council'' and ''Shadowmind'' aren't terribly related.  In truth we probably should hammer out some kind of policy on real life royalty, because we're not terribly consistent on that.  The only real analogue is [[Victoria (Queen)]], who's another un-numbered royal that's been in several unrelated stories.  And I guess that's how I'd handle it for the time being until a policy can be hammered out.  Changing over the links later, if a community discussion reveals a different nomenclature, is easy.  As a placeholder [[Constantine (Emperor)]] works well enough. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">23:49: Fri&nbsp;11 Nov 2011&nbsp;</span>
[[User:Allonsy potter|Allonsy potter]] [[User talk:Allonsy potter|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:46, February 28, 2016 (UTC)
== Arc categorisation ==
I don't know what you're talking about, so I don't really have an opinion about it.  I'm not really inclined to sift through his talk page to figure it all out.  I notice you haven't left a message on his talk page.  If it concerns you, you might consider talking to him directly about it.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">23:55: Tue&nbsp;15 Nov 2011&nbsp;</span>


== Prev/next field ==
== Spoilers and all that ==
Please note that the previous/next fields are relative to the series line.  Really, the two fields should be next to each other so that this is clear (and in the upcoming redesign of all infoboxes, they are).  They should allow for navigation between annuals in the same way that we have navigation between the last episode of one series and the first ep of the next.
Doesn't DWM 501 come out tomorrow? It sure isn't available for download yet. I get the excitement of a new companion and I also get that within 24 hours anyone will be able to read the new adventures of the Twelfth Doctor and {name removed due to spoilers}, but doesn't this violate [[Tardis:Spoiler policy]]? I mean, at this point it would be rather silly to undo all of your edits, but please don't make a page for the comic that hasn't been officially released yet! [[User:TheChampionOfTime|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT">C o T</span>]]  [[User talk:TheChampionOfTime|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span> ]] 15:22, June 29, 2016 (UTC)


That said, it could and should be made clearer, I feel, to avoid the sort of confusion you've just experienced.  With Dalek annuals, I've recently made it quite explicit.  See, for example, [[The Brain Tappers]] and [[The Dalek Trap]]. It'd probably be a good idea to add that language to the DW annual stories as well. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">22:06: Sat&nbsp;19 Nov 2011&nbsp;</span>
:Hey, I don't think you need to worry about the spoiler policy, though I've been wrong before and [[User:CzechOut]] will certainly correct me. I have to apologize for any concern you had because I'm the one who deleted the original creation of the article, and as one of my reasons I listed that it was a spoiler. Actually, my main concern was that the editor had failed to use the proper template (or any template, actually), so it was easier to delete than clean up.  


:Whoa.  I've just noticed that you appear to have been editing a pattern which is ''destroying'' the navigational premise of the annual series.  "Previous" and "next" fields are for the previous and next story in the annual, ''regardless'' of their format.  I don't really fancy going line by line through your contribution history to undo what you've done.  Since you know best how you've edited today, it'd be really helpful if you could go back and undo all the changes that you've made to infobox navigation. Thanks.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">22:31: Sat&nbsp;19 Nov 2011&nbsp;</span>
:If, however, there is a spoiler on the cover, if you could help me by keeping an eye open for any uploading of the cover image, I would appreciate it. Thanks! [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 03:13, June 30, 2016 (UTC)


:Yeah, I haven't quite finished the logical splitting of the [[Doctor Who annual]] page. But there is a plan in place.  Certainly DWY is separate from DWAN.  That's already been agreed by forum discussion, as has the fact that DWS is a distinct entity.  The only real wrinkle is what to do about the fact that the first modern annual is by a different publisher, and of a different tone, to the ones that BBC Books started in 2007. So basically I think it might go something like this:
==Season 6's recurring monster==
:*[[Doctor Who annuals (World Distributors)]]
I saw you'd commented that Season 6 did not have a recurring monster from the classic series and so I'd just like to remind you about the Cybermats. --[[User:TazminDaytime|TazminDaytime]] [[User talk:TazminDaytime|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:33, July 30, 2016 (UTC)TazminDaytime
:[[Doctor Who Yearbook]]s
:*[[Doctor Who annuals (BBC Wales)]] glues the 2006-12 annuals together as a series.  Disambiging to (BBC Wales) de-emphasises the 2006 aberration. 
*[[Doctor Who Storybook]]s
*Brilliant Books — though there's not really much in the way of narrative material in the BBs


:Brief Encounter is indeed a series unto itself, and the list currently at [[Brief Encounter]] encapsulates the entirety of that series, as confirmed by visual inspection of each and every story.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">05:04: Sun&nbsp;20 Nov 2011&nbsp;</span>
== Re: edit ==


== A New Life ==
Hi! I don't have time right now, but I'll get to it this evening. Thanks! [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:50, November 1, 2016 (UTC)
And now, for your original question.  ''A New Life'' is a unique case.  Not only are they both short stories, both are in annuals, both have the same Doctor, and the same (primary) companion.  The closest thing to this in the history of DW fiction is, I think, ''[[The Metal Eaters]]''/''[[The Metal-Eaters]]'', two Third Doctor TVC comics. Difference there is that we're saved from [[dab]] by a single little hyphen.
:Done. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:51, November 2, 2016 (UTC)


In a sense, this case is so unusual we're free to come up with our own rules. I think I actually ''like'' the dab where it is, because it gives the '''only''' dab term of relevance: the year. If there were a story in another medium, I'd say you'd have to change these to (<year> short story), but that's as much dab as it'll ever need.  Maybe when I get around to dab-ing every story title, that's what I'll do, but for the moment, the year alone is a reasonable dab term. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">22:47: Sat&nbsp;19 Nov 2011&nbsp;</span>
== Change your favourite wikis list ==
Hi Tybort, just notifying you that [http://timeship.wikia.com/wiki/Paul_Magrs_Wikia Paul Magrs Wikia] is in your list of favourite wikis. A look at its home page will tell you exactly why you should do this as fast as possible. [[User:TheChampionOfTime|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT">CoT</span>]]  [[User talk:TheChampionOfTime|<span title="Talk to me">?</span> ]] 01:39, November 16, 2016 (UTC)
:Hi. This is the person who made the Paul Magrs wiki. I'm just stopping by (some of) the talk pages TheChampionOfTime has been making these comments on to clarify the concerns s/he has had: You may have noticed that the front page of that wiki refers to the editors of this wiki here as "fascist bastards." That's meant to be tongue in cheek, and not a serious criticism. You may also have noticed that a lot of story pages are shamelessly duplicated from pages on this wiki. That's not plagiarism; I used the Wikia import/export feature to preserve the edit history so that all the authors are properly cited, and the license (CC-BY-SA) is followed. [[User:Fwhiffahder|Fwhiffahder]] [[User talk:Fwhiffahder|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 02:35, November 16, 2016 (UTC)


== Various and sundry ==
* ''Conundrum'' done.
* Yes, ''[[The Radio Waves]]'' is the end of the line for World Distributors annuals.
* Yes, ''[[Junkyard Demon II]]'' is the end of the line for DWY.
* Yes, that was weird navigation at ''[[The Rival Robots]]''.  I just reverted your revision to what was there before; wasn't really expecting that the previous revision was ''also'' factually wrong.
* It is simplest to consider the modern DW annuals as beginning with 2006.  Don't link the first story in 2006 with any previous series.  It's the start of the line.  Link the last story in 2006 with the first story in the 2007 annual. (Another defensible position would be to link  the 2006 DWAN to 2007 DWS, but I don't think most readers would actually understand that.  The more "reader friendly" thinkg to do is just to link everything ''published in Britain''' with the name "Doctor Who Annual 20zz".)
* Either you're overthinking DWY or I'm not understanding your problem.  The BE stories still are a part of the prev/next order, just like TV21 Dalek reprints are a part of the prev/next order of Dalek annuals.  For prev/next "Brief Encounter" status means nothing.  Prev/Next simply means, "What are the stories that surround this one?"  I know that I eliminated a lot of mislabelling of "BE stories that weren't BE stories" in the past, but I'm not getting how it affects navigation. Navigation is just putting stories in page order.  Please provide examples of how false BE status affects this. (Am I right to suspect you're finding this difficult because you don't actually have access to the Yearbooks, and so can't consult their TOCs?  If so, lemme know and I'll give you simple story orders direct from the actual books.) {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">06:26: Mon&nbsp;21 Nov 2011&nbsp;</span>


== Series ==
== Indistinct? ==
Looking at the Yearbook mess, I see that you have got the wrong end of the stick as to what the "series" variable means.  You've tripled the number of things put into this variable. 


Every single series variable should have one and only one link in it. I think it might be the fact that you've tried to put additional links into the variable that has confused you as to what comes before and after. If you've got [[Seventh Doctor comic stories]], [[First Doctor comic stories]] and [[Doctor Who Yearbook]]s at ''[[A Religious Experience]]'', it's no wonder that it's not clear what comes before and after. The series is [[Doctor Who Yearbook]]s, period.
Why was the footage of Cofelia indistinct? Later in the shot she scans a card saying Miss Foster and then Jack Harkness tell us that she is actually Cofelia and so on. I realize it's not the best shot but that's the best you can get from the file. [[User:HolmestoHomes|HolmestoHomes]] [[User talk:HolmestoHomes|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:52, January 15, 2017 (UTC)


Of course, I understand that you're not the first to do this sort of thing, and that you might well have been copying from elsewhere.  But it's important not to confuse the role of the category with that of the series variable.  Yes, ''A Religious Experience'' is a 1st and 7th Doctor comic story, but that's a category.  There's no such thing as a "Seventh Doctor comic story '''series'''".  He's just a character in the broader DWM, DWY and IHP series.  Without a firm grasp of what the series is, you, or anyone else, can't possibly do proper series navigation.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">17:52: Mon&nbsp;21 Nov 2011&nbsp;</span>
== Your input is requested! ==
::Nope, I know. There was clear confusion in that article before you even touched it. And I have to take some responsibility for not coming on quickly enough with the infobox redesign.  There are just so many design fires to put out! The thing is, the series should be right down at the bottom, in between the previous and next story.  That way it would be completely unambigiuous what was meant by "previous" and "next".


::And the thing is there are some stories which in fact — despite what I've said above — are exceptions and are legitimately part of two series.  The Brief Encounters are a perfect example. The ones in the 93 annual are both a part of the BE series and the DWY series.  This can only be clearly reflected so long as we have a clear navigational box at the bottom of the infobox, which is indeed a part of the next design phase. In gneral, though, there aren't ''that'' many stories which are legitimately a part of two different series in the same publication. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">18:14: Mon&nbsp;21 Nov 2011&nbsp;</span>
Hey! If you have free time, I'd love to hear your thoughts at [[Thread:212365]]. [[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]] ([[User Talk:OttselSpy25|Talk]]) 19:44, May 4, 2017 (UTC)


== More questions ==
==Donald McCrimmon==
As you see things that you have questions about, like IDW one-shots, please make a note of them on my user page.  I may or may not have time to answer each one individually.  However, alerting me to the apparent inconsistency will place them on my to do list, and they will be dealt with accordingly.  Please do not attempt to mess with the series line yourself, as this may make it harder for the bot to do an easy correction. 


To answer your question, though, the series would be an invented one, based upon marketing lnguage on IDW's website.  I think they call it "Doctor Who one-shots and miniseries", but I'd have to doublecheck. IDW has definitely marketed them differently than the main title, though.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">18:27: Mon&nbsp;21 Nov 2011&nbsp;</span>
Hello. I noticed your edits asking when Jamie's father's name was given as [[Donald McCrimmon]]. In the third episode of ''[[The Highlanders (TV story)|The Highlanders]]'', [[Colin McLaren]] says to [[Willie Mackay]], "And Jamie, son of Donald McCrimmon. A piper, like his father and his father's father." --[[User:GusF|GusF]] [[User talk:GusF|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:04, October 23, 2017 (UTC)
:I think I'm confusing you by mentioning future coding developments.  As far as you are concerned at the moment:
::* The "series" variable should contain the name of the series in which the story first appeared.  (The DWY Brief Encounters are highly exceptional in that they were actually published in two series at once.  They were ''both'' originally Brief Encounters ''and'' originally in DWY. Should you encounter other such cases, go with "series as published" over "series as labelled".  So in this case, <code>series=[[Doctor Who Yearbook]]s</code>.) 
::*The "previous/next" fields should contain the stories that surround it '''in the series of first publication'''
:Additional series navigation will be necessary in the future, in some limited cases — so, yes, some stories will have multiple navigation paths — but you shouldn't worry about that yet.


:The important thing now is clean, consistent navigation on ONE series, and for that series to be the series of first publication.
== Doctor Who Answers closed ==


:As you encounter stories where series is unclear, note them on my talk page, and they'll eventually be addressed. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">00:56: Tue&nbsp;22 Nov 2011&nbsp;</span>
Doctor Who Answers has been closed. The new website will go up at http://www.doctorwhoanswers.com/, but right now it's not quite ready because they've not had enough spare time to sink into it. [[User:Doctor 25|Doctor 25]] [[User talk:Doctor 25|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:15, April 11, 2020 (UTC)


== BBC Books ==
== For(u)m Letter ==
The relationship between BBC Children's Books and Penguin is essentially one of publisher and distributor.  The language you've encountered is literally ripped from the books themselves.  BBC Children's Books has editorial control, Penguin ''physically'' publishes and distributes them.  Stories from them would therefore be attributed to BBC Children's Books and not Penguin. As far as I'm aware, the BBC doesn't own any actual presses (anymore?), so every book bearing a BBC logo is actually physically published by someone else. 


I'm growing a little concerned, however, that you seem to making a lot of edits to the structural elements of pages without consulting the actual source text.  You've said before you don't actually have the annuals, so please consider the fact that you ''might'' be introducing false information, or info based on others' info.  Even if you can find a scan of the table of contents online, that's better than using text from a fan site.
Hey there, I hope your Halloween was decent. As you might know, we've not had forums for over two years at this point. A few of the regular editors have been having a discussion on this topic at [[Forum talk:Index]] and we'd like the input of other prominent editors if you have the inclination. Cheers. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 09:05, 1 November 2022 (UTC)


If you have ''this'' many questions in just a 36 hour period, it's possible that you don't actually have great enough access to the source material to edit this particular part of the wiki usefully. Don't read that as me telling you to stop editing ''or'' asking questions. It's just something to think about. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">23:28: Tue&nbsp;22 Nov 2011&nbsp;</span>
== Orson Pink ==
Re: your edit summary at [[Orson Pink]] — I agree that the family tree didn't belong, but I find your words in the summary a bit harsh. Sure, [[Steven Moffat]] said in ''behind the scenes quotes'' that fans could interpret Orson as an indirect descendant of Danny so that there was no paradox, but quotes aren't valid sources, and {{w|death of the author}} is an established way of looking at fiction. Looking at what's on TV alone, it seems entirely possible — for example — that Orson was Danny's descendant in one possible timeline, and that time shifting again so that Danny now dies in ''[[Dark Water (TV story)|Dark Water]]'' results in Orson being erased from history. How Orson could exist despite his alleged relation to Danny and Clara ''has not been established'' in valid sources. Indeed, the first of the quotes mentioned in that BTS section has Moffat speaking of the "more distant relative" idea as merely ''one possible explanation'', not necessarily the be-all-end-all. All of which to say that I don't think you can point to ''Dark Water'' itself as hard evidence that Orson isn't Danny and Clara's descendant; and that calling the tree a "lie" is coming on much too strong. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 21:16, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
:To briefly comment on the above, I'll note that the tree uses a dotted line which ''passes through'' the connection between Danny and Clara without actually ''emerging from it'', leaving it ambiguous as to whether Orson is Danny and Clara's descendant or merely a different relative of Danny, while still embodying both opportunities. Additionally, the line connecting two people is often used to indicate pairings other than literal marriage. For these reasons I don't think the chart itself is inaccurate in the least. – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 21:23, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
It's not "fan theory" or "literary interpretation". In ''[[Listen (TV story)|Listen]]'', Orson is ''explicitly'' a descendant of Danny and Clara. Following the events of ''[[Dark Water (TV story)|Dark Water]]'', he is ''explicitly'' not a descendant of Danny, while still being in his family tree. Per [[Tardis:Neutral point of view]], we cannot weight one of these sources over the other; we must present them equally. You have yet to explain how the family tree fails to achieve this. As a courtesy, I'll ask you before I go to an admin: why did you revert my edit on [[Orson Pink]] before the discussion had come to a conclusion? Are we not still discussing this matter? – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 14:01, 18 January 2023 (UTC)


::Cool.  That's all I'm saying. Just think about the value of consulting source material directly.  As you've already discovered, a lot of the navigation on the wiki is screwed up already because people have been using, for instance, the Doctor Who Reference Guide, rather than cracking open a book and simply reading things.
== MySpace blog ==
Thanks for the point you raised in your edit summary of [[Special:Diff/3397585]] – you're absolutely right, and I have no idea how I missed that. I've gone through [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Martha Jones' MySpace blog (short story)]] and rewritten several pages to refer to "X days before Martha met the Tenth Doctor" rather than "On XX March 2007". – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 16:12, 31 January 2023 (UTC)


::Apart from the infoboxes, almost all timeline information is totally screwed because sometime in the past someone decided that the DWRG was authoritative — when quite clearly it's not. So if you actually click from one timeline link to another, it usually doesn't take more than 10 clicks to get completely derailed.
== Re: About spoilers ==
I too raised an eyebrow at [[Tardis talk:Out-of-universe perspective]], but as it turns out, [[Ncuti Gatwa]] has already appeared as the [[Fifteenth Doctor]] in a valid IU source (''[[Whotopia: The Ultimate Guide to the Whoniverse (reference book)|Whotopia]]''). – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 17:15, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
:: That, and moreover, that page is out of date. I forgot it existed, honestly. (Why does it exist?) Please refer to [[T:OFFICIAL INFO]] and [[T:SPOIL FORUM]] instead for the up-to-date policy on this issue. As regards talk pages, spoilers are only allowed in discussion areas if they are themselves tagged with {{tlx|spoiler}}, and, in the case of a Panopticon thread, if the word "spoiler" is included in the title of the thread. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 17:16, 29 November 2023 (UTC)


::And I wouldn't worry too much about not knowing the BBC/Penguin relationship. I've had the 60s Dalek annuals for decades, and I still don't quite get who was actually in editorial control of those. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">00:26: Wed&nbsp;23 Nov 2011&nbsp;</span>
:Interesting point! I suppose it depends on the definition of "current Doctor". Fifteen certainly meets the standard of "highest confirmed consecutive number". – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 17:29, 29 November 2023 (UTC)


== Individual Rutan ==
:: As I said, the [[Tardis:Spoiler policy#Spoilers and the forums]] section is intended to apply to talk page discussions as well, including Tardis_talk: ones, provided the necessary steps are taken. I may rewrite the section later to make this clearer, but you need only look to [[Talk:Doctor Who Wiki]] for precedent. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 17:30, 29 November 2023 (UTC)


If you think it better without, that's fine. However, when I typed "Rutan"  into the field, up popped a half dozen categories, including "Individual Rutan" [[User:Boblipton|Boblipton]] <sup>[[User talk:Boblipton|talk to me]]</sup> 00:56, November 26, 2011 (UTC)
:::Sorry, by "consecutive number" I didn't mean consecutive number of stories. I meant that he's #15, latest in the numbered series that began with Hartnell (#1). As opposed to the [[Forty-Fifth Doctor]], who isn't consecutive since we haven't seen 16–44, or the [[Fugitive Doctor]], who wasn't numbered at all.


== Promo shots ==
:::That was just my best stab at a definition, but upon further reflection I don't know it holds up, since it excludes 14. It strikes me that ''both'' might be the "current Doctor". (As an aside, you remark that 14 will be the current Doctor "until he steps down as the Doctor on TV" – but what would that definition mean for the [[Eighth Doctor]] from 2005-2013?)


Sorry for the delay in the reply - been kind of distracted. Promo shots are not allowed in any articles, it should only be screenshots. There is a small expection and that is with characters who do not appear in any visual media, i.e. books and audio, but are depicted on the front covers of the audio/book they appear in - in this case, the cropped image can be use. That as close to a promo shot as you can get. [[User:Mini-mitch|MM]]/<small>[[User talk:Mini-mitch|Want to talk?]]</small> 15:28, December 4, 2011 (UTC)
:::In the end I think "current Doctor" is just a fuzzy category with no clear definition and we'd do best to avoid it. – [[User:NateBumber|NateBumber]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 15:29, 4 December 2023 (UTC)


== Disambig roundup ==
== Re: SMW problem with future story pages ==
*The following things '''have''' been sorted:
::The Gallifrey Chronicles, Placebo Effect, The Alliance (The Pandorica Opens), Project Infinity (audio story) [though I have no clue why you moved that title around so much], The Flood (comic story) and Fragments (TV story)
* The following things are more questionable, and '''have not''' been done:
::*[[The Flood (The Waters of Mars)]].  This is not "needlessly disambiguated" as you presume.  There's a valid question of naming here.  See [[Talk:The Flood (The Waters of Mars)]].  I'm not at all prepared to give the name [[The Flood]] to the antagonist of ''[[The Waters of Mars]]''.  As far as I can see, it's not an in-universe term at all.  So if you've started doing manual work in that direction, I must ask you to undo it, until the naming question at the talk page is definitively settled.
::*I don't really understand what you're talking about with Bad Blood and Sins of the Fathers.  Is there work to be done there or not?  And why would you have attempted ''any'' manual relinkage, given the ease with which the bot can do it?  You'll have to advise me further if there's work to be done with these two titles and why.


As for your other query, the few instances of a Hartnell episode also being the name of a story are storted by appending (episode), as in [[An Unearthly Child (episode)]] and [[The Web Planet (episode)]].  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">01:14: Fri&nbsp;09 Dec 2011&nbsp;</span>
Sorry about the delay in getting back to you. I could create a new SMW property, perhaps [[property:released]], which is set to <tt>false</tt> if {{tlx|spoiler}} is used on the source page and <tt>true</tt> otherwise (potentially with some nuance for unreleased stories). Then, this property being <tt>true</tt> could be set as a condition in the SMW queries used to generate automated lists. For separating out TV stuff, if deemed necessary, a condition could be added tp the relevant queries that checks if [[property:medium]] is set to "<tt>tv story</tt>". [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:52, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 
== in youth? ==
 
Yes, it is grmmatically correct, but if it makes you uncofortable, expand it. [[User:Boblipton|Boblipton]] <sup>[[User talk:Boblipton|talk to me]]</sup> 00:53, December 12, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
 
I suppose it could theoretically mean in the doctor's youth, but that doesn't make any contextual sense. [[User:Boblipton|Boblipton]] <sup>[[User talk:Boblipton|talk to me]]</sup> 00:57, December 12, 2011 (UTC)
{{Please see|Can we disable visual editor please?}} <br> {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">07:23: Wed&nbsp;21 Dec 2011&nbsp;</span>
 
== New Earth and other stuff ==
* Please see [[Forum:Renaming New Earth]].
* Hartnell eps - basically changed over but I think I have to redo The Traitors cause I had a power failure mid-run.  Not sure.
* Iris Wildthyme - best to include [[User:Revanvolatrelundar]] on this discussion, as he knows a lot about stuff on the fringe of the DWU.  How bout raising it in [[forum:reference desk]] and {{Tl|Please see}}-ing him and whoever else has recently edited IW stuff? There was a recent IW question in the forums; may want to look that up, too.
* It's now ''[[fallen angel]]'' not [[Fallen Angel]], with all links moved. The title case version still exists but goes elsewhere.  Dab notes should make it all clear without need for a dab page, though one is very technically justified at present.
* I honestly haven't forgotten {{tl|Wales crew}}, so please keep using [[template talk:wales crew]], if you're the one that does the Christmas special crew and you find missing variables.
 
{{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">21:59: Fri&nbsp;23 Dec 2011&nbsp;</span>
 
== What?  No geronimo? ==
 
I understand your reasons for being annoyed at the page for "Geronimo" and  expect you to be annoyed at "What"  and "Allons-y".  However, I think that the contributor has an interesting point.  What do you think about of a page on "The Doctor's catchphrases"?[[User:Boblipton|Boblipton]] <sup>[[User talk:Boblipton|talk to me]]</sup> 22:54, December 29, 2011 (UTC)
 
==Utopia==
I think I was ahead of you this time. Your request was handled, pretty much as you wished.  However, I've retained [[Utopia (planet)]] – even though I've moved all the links — because it points to [[Utopia]], which is now a [[dab]] page.  It seems reasonable to leave it in place, since [[Utopia]] now [[dab]]s between two ''planets'' of the same name.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">21:13: Fri&nbsp;30 Dec 2011&nbsp;</span>
== Stuff ==
What's your opinion about [[:category:Actors who worked in the Sherlock Holmes franchise]]?  There is no Sherlock Holmes franchise.  The beauty of Sherlock is that he's public domain.  So anyone, at any time, can make a Sherlock adaptation.  You got an idea for a better name for the category?  Actors who have appeared in a Sherlock Holmes adaptation, maybe?
 
Also, what sort of problem could you have with a page on [[Allons-y!]] or [[Geronimo]], as implied by Bob, above?  [[Gordon Bennett]]! They're fair game for articles!  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">01:09: Sat&nbsp;31 Dec 2011&nbsp;</span>
 
:Hey! Hey!  I have problems with every aspect of every frame being subject to analysis, especially something so marginal as a catchphrase, which is less a matter of characterization than a sort of marketing device. Are we to have a page for "Matt Smith's follicles" because his hair varies so much in ''The Time of Angels'',  goes long with bits of white in ''The Wedding of River Song'' and is accompanied by a beard in two episodes?  I think not. On the other hand, in my other life, I have been an English major and a part-time professional editor and am fascinated by the details of my trade. Asking about a page called "The Doctor's Catchphrases"  is an indulgence on my part. Do not judge my motivations by my actions.  If you want to know my motivations, ask.  You may be more confused after I explain, but them's the risks you take. In the meantime, Tybort, my apologies for taking up your space. Sorry for forgetting to sign earlier. [[User:Boblipton|Boblipton]] <sup>[[User talk:Boblipton|talk to me]]</sup> 01:38, December 31, 2011 (UTC)
::Moving back to Sherlock, I don't think it's possible for there to ''be'' a franchise anymore, now that the property is in the public domain.  I mean, there's such a thing as an actor being on the Jeremy Brett version, and the Basil Rathbone, and the Tom Baker, and the Benedict Cumberbatch — but there's no overarching "franchise", because it doesn't come from a single source anymore.  I mean, we could debate whether it might be useful to further subdivide this category into the various "runs".  But I dunno.  I really haven't given it that much thought.  It just caught my eye in passing that it was an awkwardly-worded category.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">04:18: Sat&nbsp;31 Dec 2011&nbsp;</span>
 
"Franchise" is the wrong word. I tried an online thesaurus for "franchise"  and "series" but couldn't find the right one. [[User:Boblipton|Boblipton]] <sup>[[User talk:Boblipton|talk to me]]</sup> 04:53, December 31, 2011 (UTC)
 
== Moves: Francine, Angela Price ==
No problem with [[Francine (The Maltese Penguin)]].  All sorted.  But the Angela Price thing is trickier.  We have no canonical or even out-of-universe spelling for Price.  For all we know, she could be spelling it [[Jonathan Pryce|Jonathan]]-style: ''Pryce''.  She's only credited as Mrs. Moore.  I really had no idea that the page had been moved to Angela Price in the first place, as it originated as Mrs Moore. 
 
If we're going to spell it ''Price'', we'll need a forum discussion, because there's absolutely no canonical or end-credits indication of that.  My feeling is that it, strictly, should be [[Moore (Rise of the Cybermen)]], thus obviating the need for [[dab]] at [[Angela Price (Lost in Time)]]. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">23:56: Tue&nbsp;03 Jan 2012&nbsp;</span>
 
== latest changes to amy pond ==
 
I see you've made some placement changes to the amy pond page.  I'm sure you know that this is fine-point editing and a matter of emphasis. As it was it slugged the reader with the sense of betrayal. Now it does not. Unsurprisingly, I prefer the way it was shaped before -- otherwise I would have changed it -- but you think there's something superior this way. Could you explain why you think it's better? [[User:Boblipton|Boblipton]] <sup>[[User talk:Boblipton|talk to me]]</sup> 03:50, January 4, 2012 (UTC)

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All caps[[edit source]]

Seems to be caused by PRESS STATEMENT, which likely doesn't need to be in all caps. Filter is functioning correctly.
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍  16:06: Wed 24 Jul 2013

Wikipediainfo[[edit source]]

Hey, I notice you used {{wikipediainfo}} when you created Richelle Mead. As the template instructions indicate, we don't really want to use {{wikipediainfo}} on real world pages. Think of it as a way to give our readers real world information without violating T:NO RW — not as a substitute for writing a real world article. Thanks!
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍  01:05: Sat 07 Sep 2013

Plagiarism question[[edit source]]

Re your question at thread:142060:

It's my opinion that when it comes to plagiarism, better safe than sorry. If there is a substantial amount of text that seems to have been lifted from another site, it's gotta go. I think what has happened with some of the older stories is that it was copied word for word, but over the years numerous editors have added and subtracted text, but it's still basically plagiarism.

If you're up for rewriting any of the plot summaries, go for it. I don't want to cause you extra work, but I think in the long run it's less work to rewrite than to check sections back and forth and correct here and there. Don't forget to put an "in use" tag if you feel you need it. Thanks a bunch! Shambala108 ☎ 23:34, September 26, 2013 (UTC)

Torchwood[[edit source]]

I wonder if you could do me a favor. I was looking through the plot summary for Day One, and there's a scene where the rest of the Torchwood crew is discussing what they know about Jack. There is a sentence in the middle of this section that says: "Ianto think she's CIA." I haven't seen this episode, so I don't know if Ianto is talking about Jack and it's a typo, or if he's talking about Gwen, who is referred to in the previous sentence. Do you have any idea which is correct? Thanks! Shambala108 ☎ 17:26, September 29, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! I went ahead and fixed it, and if you or someone else later find that it's wrong, it can be fixed. Shambala108 ☎ 18:14, September 29, 2013 (UTC)

Something about preloads[[edit source]]

Didn't you sometime, somewhere, within the last month say something about preloads needed to be fixed? I was looking around for that comment today but couldn't find it. If I've got the wrong man, please forgive me. But if I've got the right one, please jog my memory.
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍  19:36: Fri 11 Oct 2013

That must be it! Thanks!
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍  15:18: Sat 12 Oct 2013

Help[[edit source]]

Hey, can I prevail upon you for a little bit of immediate help. Any chance that you could do the crew lists for the last four eps of 7b today? I know, I know: it's my own fault for not fixing {{wales crew}} sooner, but if you could help with that, I'd be mighty appreciative. If you can't, though, lemme know.
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍  15:18: Sat 12 Oct 2013

Tomato check tracking[[edit source]]

Well, I put this in the thread, but it's really hard to read it there. I thought you might like to see it at full width. This chart tells you which episodes you don't need to worry about anymore, as they've already been touched by two editors.
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍  01:05: Tue 15 Oct 2013

CZ SOTO TYB SH SPR
SH Self
SOTO SOTO has no common stories with CZ Self See above
TYB TYB has no common stories with CZ see above self see above TYB has no common stories with SPR
SPR SPR has no common stories with CZ see above see above see above self

Chat[[edit source]]

When you have a moment, could you please stop by chat? Thanks :) (It's nothing bad, don't worry.)
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍  19:41: Tue 15 Oct 2013 19:41, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

Kath Braxton?[[edit source]]

I guess I don't understand why the lead-in to the Tenth Doctor article, the identity of his incarnation, depends on the attestation of a minor character from a comic that a lot of people on here probably haven't read. Clara specified that her Doctor was the Eleventh Doctor, but if I added that, I'm willing to bet it would be deleted within a day. TARDIStraveler ☎ 22:25, October 23, 2013 (UTC)

Cleanup edits[[edit source]]

Hey, I just wanted to let you know that your recent many cleanup edits have not gone unnoticed or unappreciated. I noticed that you've been concentrating a lot on stuff that relates to 2005-Doctor Who. That's probably going to help with the Rotten Tomatoes stuff. Thanks for all your hard work! Shambala108 ☎ 01:10, November 17, 2013 (UTC)

Christmas cheer[[edit source]]

Happy holidays!

As this fiftieth anniversary year comes to a close, we here at Tardis just want to thank you for being a part of our community — even if you haven't edited here in a while. If you have edited with us this year, then thanks for all your hard work.

This year has seen an impressive amount of growth. We've added about 11,000 pages this year, which is frankly incredible for a wiki this big. November was predictably one of the busiest months we've ever had: over 500 unique editors pitched in. It was the highest number of editors in wiki history for a year in which only one programme in the DWU was active. And our viewing stats have been through the roof. We've averaged well over 2 million page views each week for the last two months, with some weeks seeing over 4 million views!

We've received an unprecedented level of support from Wikia Staff, resulting in all sorts of new goodies and productive new relationships. And we've recently decided to lift almost every block we've ever made so as to allow most everyone a second chance to be part of our community.

2014 promises to build on this year's foundations, especially since we've got a full, unbroken series coming up — something that hasn't happened since 2011. We hope you'll stick with us — or return to the Tardis — so that you can be a part of the fun!

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SOTO nomination[[edit source]]

The admin nomination for User:SmallerOnTheOutside is drawing swiftly to a close. Did you have any thoughts on it? Please go here if you do.
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍  00:02: Wed 01 Jan 2014

Capitol[[edit source]]

Why you add my edit in capitol it was correct watch the end of time you see--Doctor other ☎ 15:31, February 17, 2014 (UTC)

Theory page[[edit source]]

So sorry but you edit on Theory:Timeline Last Great Time War unreasonable--Doctor other ☎ 20:36, March 2, 2014 (UTC)

How to delete pictures[[edit source]]

Can you show me how ı delete a picture ?--Doctor other ☎ 13:19, March 3, 2014 (UTC)

The War[[edit source]]

Cult of the Black Sun (created by faction paradox) and the Order of the Black Sun are the same ? If they are war between order and the time lord is part of THE WAR.--Doctor other ☎ 00:55, March 6, 2014 (UTC)

Cult of the Black Sun (created by faction paradox) and the Order of the Black Sun are the same ? If they are war between order and the time lord is part of THE WAR.--Doctor other ☎ 15:31, March 6, 2014 (UTC)

Deleted images[[edit source]]

I just wanted to say thanks for tagging all those images for deletion. I think I got all of them. Thanks! Shambala108 ☎ 16:23, March 6, 2014 (UTC)

Silents Vs. the Silent[[edit source]]

The correct plural form of Silent is The Silent. There is no 'S'. If you are referring to the religious order, "The Silence" is proper. - Masterpwn (Previously unsigned)

Season four category[[edit source]]

I just wanted to thank you for the edits you made removing the "characters of season four" category. I knew there was something wrong with it, but couldn't place why, so I asked the user to hold off creating any more. I've now asked him/her not to continue the project (using your edit summary as the reason), and I deleted the one category that's been created so far. Shambala108 ☎ 01:37, June 3, 2014 (UTC)

I need your help understanding your reason[[edit source]]

"The Marilyn Monroe stuff is edging too much into T:NO RW. I don't think the story says anything other than "woman standing with Eleven, Sinatra and Santa Claus in that photograph"," was what you said when you removed that section I put on the Model page.

I'm sorry, but did you seriously do that without reading the links I connected it to at all? Because it appears so. Yes. That's a bit bunt and could be considered impolite, but I would appreciate an explanation for removing my work. An explanation that proves you looked at the links I connected to the paragraph for the convenience of readers, like you were.

In the episode A Christmas Carol, we see the Doctor leave the party with Marilyn. At the end of the episode, Rory answers a phone call from her, and the Doctor tells her to tell her the chapel wasn't ligament. Here's straight out of the episode article (Which I had a link to in the bit I posted): "A few minutes later, the Doctor finds the couple kissing passionately, but impatiently requests to leave, as he has accidentally become engaged to Marilyn Monroe; he leaves with her nevertheless." At the end of the episode, "Rory pops out of the TARDIS, saying he answered the phone; Marilyn has called the Doctor. The Doctor tells Rory to inform Marilyn that he will call her back, "and that was never a real chapel"."

And, may I ask what this picture you speak of is? I don't remember it.

And please, don't get me wrong. I am upset (who wouldn't be if some of their hard work was taken down with a reason they didn't understand.), but I still have an open mind. From what I know, and the information I've received, I can only conclude that you were not aware to what I was referring. So here I am, trying to explain.

You are more experienced at wiki-ing than me, so I am asking for your help in understanding. But I like to think I am a hardcore Whovian when it comes to the reboot series. I think I know what I'm talking about with this episode.

Will you do me a favor and read Marilyn Monroe and A Christmas Carol (TV story)? Then, will you please reconsider removing that section?

Thank you for your time, and again, I'm sorry for sounding so blunt.

--Rebazim ☎ 17:31, June 4, 2014 (UTC)

Alright. I guess I can accept that....--Rebazim ☎ 19:31, June 4, 2014 (UTC)

Images[[edit source]]

Those page images are taken. Put yours somewhere else or find empty pages. --Buckimion ☎ 02:20, October 31, 2014 (UTC)

Thank you...[[edit source]]

... for your work about the Black Sun War pages! Especially for the missing ones. --- HarveyWallbanger ☎ 21:35, December 9, 2014 (UTC)

Hyperion[[edit source]]

Crap! Sorting it now. Thanks for letting me know. :) --Revan\Talk 12:54, December 10, 2014 (UTC)

Past tense in direct quotations[[edit source]]

Hey there. Regarding your edits to the quote in the lead for Dalek, do you know if it is the policy at this project to alter direct character quotations into the past tense? I have looked through 6~7 MoS/policy articles and could not find a direct answer, so I'm uncertain. Either way, this line: "[i]nside that shell, there [was] a creature born to hate, whose only thought [was] to destroy everything and everyone that [wasn't] a Dalek, too." is very brutal to read. If it isn't policy, are you okay with me changing it back to a direct quote? And if it is policy to force verbatim character lines to be in the past tense, are you okay with having this paraphrased? Blue Rook ☎ 00:31, December 18, 2014 (UTC)

Re: The Eye of Torment[[edit source]]

No problem. The only reason I knew what to do is that I've seen it used in source mode before. Previously, I had tried using the "|" and it didn't work. Shambala108 ☎ 15:35, January 13, 2015 (UTC)

Andy-Frankham Allen[[edit source]]

Hey, I just wanted to let you know that I changed the Andy-Frankham Allen page you created to a redirect, as he had previously written stories under the name of Andy Frankham. The only reason I know this is because he wrote some Short Trips stories, which is an area of the wiki I focus on. Thanks! Shambala108 ☎ 01:13, February 11, 2015 (UTC)

Companion Chronicle numbering[[edit source]]

Hey Tybort. I just want to call your attention to Talk:The Sleeping Blood (audio story). Thanks. P&P talk contribs 16:48, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

Colour in B&W[[edit source]]

We found out the colour of Daleks, the Doctor's eyes and the ring from seeing behind-the-scenes photographs that were taken in colour. Plus, with a keen eye and enough experience, one can see through the black-and-white format to deduce the colour of things.BananaClownMan ☎ 13:13, August 17, 2015 (UTC)

Galleries[[edit source]]

Thank you, thank you, thank you for making the edit at Apology cue cards. I knew there was a policy against galleries, but I could not for the life of me remember where it was. (I forgot to check the Help namespace.) Shambala108 ☎ 23:54, October 4, 2015 (UTC)

Leamington Spa Lifeboat Museum[[edit source]]

One of the series 2 websites was the "Leamington Spa Lifeboat Museum". It was heavily implied to be a Torchwood Base. The game "Security Bot" takes place inside the base. The website is now gone, but the game can still be played on the official Dr. Who website. – The preceding unsigned comment was added by TheChampionOfTime (talk • contribs) .

He explicitly said 2 billion years and since Rigsy was alive around this time...

Talk:Clara[[edit source]]

P&P got to it before me. But thanks for pointing it out!
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 01:37, December 25, 2015 (UTC)

4.5 Billion[[edit source]]

Clearly you can't measure the doctor's age by his body. He regenerates often, and teleports often. If you were to do that, he would be a few days old when he finally got to Gallifrey. Is the age the Doctor states correct? No, the Doctor lies. His age is measured by his timestream and consciousness. When the previous bodies were destroyed he got to keep the memories as they were still part of his timestream. They took a while to integrate, but they eventually did, just like it can take you a while to remember things when you wake up in the morning, or when he regenerates. So then those sections of his timestream weren't erased from his timeline even though he got a body that had been restored to a point before those events occurred. He lived them, and remembered them. They are part of his timeline. Thus, he is now 4.5 billion years old. According to who? According to logic. – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sadanyagci (talk • contribs) .


Zygon[[edit source]]

It did say that the staff seen were Zygons, I can't remember how but it did pal. DENCH-and-PALMER ☎ 08:52, January 11, 2016 (UTC)

A Christmas Carol[[edit source]]

A Christmas Carol did have a brief scene on Earth - the Doctor takes young Kazran to Hollywood and accidentally marries Marilyn Monroe. JagoAndLitefoot ☎ 14:44, January 13, 2016 (UTC)

School Reunion[[edit source]]

"The contradiction is all of School Reunion." Because in Dreamland and School Reunion Sarah's apparently not seen the Doctor since The Hand of Fear? Putting "according to one account" on every encounter of theirs back to The Five Doctors doesn't make sense. "According to one account" only works where it's obvious what the contradiction is. So Dreamland and School Reunion could have "according to one account, Sarah and the Doctor hadn't met since she stopped traveling with him.", and it'll make sense that the contradiction is with all of the earlier listed encounters. Fwhiffahder ☎ 21:38, January 15, 2016 (UTC)

Fat Controller Vandalism[[edit source]]

Its not vandalism to say the Controller is fat - its what he'she's called --90.199.121.253talk to me 13:48, January 18, 2016 (UTC)

September 14th[[edit source]]

What year --90.199.121.253talk to me 13:50, January 18, 2016 (UTC)

Hello Tybort, please go and check out the Doctor Who Reviews Wiki. Where you can review Doctor Who Stories! Go to: http://doctor-who-reviews.wikia.com/wiki/Doctor_Who_Reviews_Wikia

Thank You! (Sorry if this is annoying)

Allonsy potter ☎ 16:46, February 28, 2016 (UTC)

Spoilers and all that[[edit source]]

Doesn't DWM 501 come out tomorrow? It sure isn't available for download yet. I get the excitement of a new companion and I also get that within 24 hours anyone will be able to read the new adventures of the Twelfth Doctor and {name removed due to spoilers}, but doesn't this violate Tardis:Spoiler policy? I mean, at this point it would be rather silly to undo all of your edits, but please don't make a page for the comic that hasn't been officially released yet! C o T ☎ 15:22, June 29, 2016 (UTC)

Hey, I don't think you need to worry about the spoiler policy, though I've been wrong before and User:CzechOut will certainly correct me. I have to apologize for any concern you had because I'm the one who deleted the original creation of the article, and as one of my reasons I listed that it was a spoiler. Actually, my main concern was that the editor had failed to use the proper template (or any template, actually), so it was easier to delete than clean up.
If, however, there is a spoiler on the cover, if you could help me by keeping an eye open for any uploading of the cover image, I would appreciate it. Thanks! Shambala108 ☎ 03:13, June 30, 2016 (UTC)

Season 6's recurring monster[[edit source]]

I saw you'd commented that Season 6 did not have a recurring monster from the classic series and so I'd just like to remind you about the Cybermats. --TazminDaytime ☎ 21:33, July 30, 2016 (UTC)TazminDaytime

Re: edit[[edit source]]

Hi! I don't have time right now, but I'll get to it this evening. Thanks! Shambala108 ☎ 15:50, November 1, 2016 (UTC)

Done. Shambala108 ☎ 13:51, November 2, 2016 (UTC)

Change your favourite wikis list[[edit source]]

Hi Tybort, just notifying you that Paul Magrs Wikia is in your list of favourite wikis. A look at its home page will tell you exactly why you should do this as fast as possible. CoT ? 01:39, November 16, 2016 (UTC)

Hi. This is the person who made the Paul Magrs wiki. I'm just stopping by (some of) the talk pages TheChampionOfTime has been making these comments on to clarify the concerns s/he has had: You may have noticed that the front page of that wiki refers to the editors of this wiki here as "fascist bastards." That's meant to be tongue in cheek, and not a serious criticism. You may also have noticed that a lot of story pages are shamelessly duplicated from pages on this wiki. That's not plagiarism; I used the Wikia import/export feature to preserve the edit history so that all the authors are properly cited, and the license (CC-BY-SA) is followed. Fwhiffahder ☎ 02:35, November 16, 2016 (UTC)


Indistinct?[[edit source]]

Why was the footage of Cofelia indistinct? Later in the shot she scans a card saying Miss Foster and then Jack Harkness tell us that she is actually Cofelia and so on. I realize it's not the best shot but that's the best you can get from the file. HolmestoHomes ☎ 13:52, January 15, 2017 (UTC)

Your input is requested![[edit source]]

Hey! If you have free time, I'd love to hear your thoughts at Thread:212365. OS25 (Talk) 19:44, May 4, 2017 (UTC)

Donald McCrimmon[[edit source]]

Hello. I noticed your edits asking when Jamie's father's name was given as Donald McCrimmon. In the third episode of The Highlanders, Colin McLaren says to Willie Mackay, "And Jamie, son of Donald McCrimmon. A piper, like his father and his father's father." --GusF ☎ 21:04, October 23, 2017 (UTC)

Doctor Who Answers closed[[edit source]]

Doctor Who Answers has been closed. The new website will go up at http://www.doctorwhoanswers.com/, but right now it's not quite ready because they've not had enough spare time to sink into it. Doctor 25 ☎ 20:15, April 11, 2020 (UTC)

For(u)m Letter[[edit source]]

Hey there, I hope your Halloween was decent. As you might know, we've not had forums for over two years at this point. A few of the regular editors have been having a discussion on this topic at Forum talk:Index and we'd like the input of other prominent editors if you have the inclination. Cheers. Najawin ☎ 09:05, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Orson Pink[[edit source]]

Re: your edit summary at Orson Pink — I agree that the family tree didn't belong, but I find your words in the summary a bit harsh. Sure, Steven Moffat said in behind the scenes quotes that fans could interpret Orson as an indirect descendant of Danny so that there was no paradox, but quotes aren't valid sources, and death of the author is an established way of looking at fiction. Looking at what's on TV alone, it seems entirely possible — for example — that Orson was Danny's descendant in one possible timeline, and that time shifting again so that Danny now dies in Dark Water results in Orson being erased from history. How Orson could exist despite his alleged relation to Danny and Clara has not been established in valid sources. Indeed, the first of the quotes mentioned in that BTS section has Moffat speaking of the "more distant relative" idea as merely one possible explanation, not necessarily the be-all-end-all. All of which to say that I don't think you can point to Dark Water itself as hard evidence that Orson isn't Danny and Clara's descendant; and that calling the tree a "lie" is coming on much too strong. Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 21:16, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

To briefly comment on the above, I'll note that the tree uses a dotted line which passes through the connection between Danny and Clara without actually emerging from it, leaving it ambiguous as to whether Orson is Danny and Clara's descendant or merely a different relative of Danny, while still embodying both opportunities. Additionally, the line connecting two people is often used to indicate pairings other than literal marriage. For these reasons I don't think the chart itself is inaccurate in the least. – n8 (☎) 21:23, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

It's not "fan theory" or "literary interpretation". In Listen, Orson is explicitly a descendant of Danny and Clara. Following the events of Dark Water, he is explicitly not a descendant of Danny, while still being in his family tree. Per Tardis:Neutral point of view, we cannot weight one of these sources over the other; we must present them equally. You have yet to explain how the family tree fails to achieve this. As a courtesy, I'll ask you before I go to an admin: why did you revert my edit on Orson Pink before the discussion had come to a conclusion? Are we not still discussing this matter? – n8 (☎) 14:01, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

MySpace blog[[edit source]]

Thanks for the point you raised in your edit summary of Special:Diff/3397585 – you're absolutely right, and I have no idea how I missed that. I've gone through Special:WhatLinksHere/Martha Jones' MySpace blog (short story) and rewritten several pages to refer to "X days before Martha met the Tenth Doctor" rather than "On XX March 2007". – n8 (☎) 16:12, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Re: About spoilers[[edit source]]

I too raised an eyebrow at Tardis talk:Out-of-universe perspective, but as it turns out, Ncuti Gatwa has already appeared as the Fifteenth Doctor in a valid IU source (Whotopia). – n8 (☎) 17:15, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

That, and moreover, that page is out of date. I forgot it existed, honestly. (Why does it exist?) Please refer to T:OFFICIAL INFO and T:SPOIL FORUM instead for the up-to-date policy on this issue. As regards talk pages, spoilers are only allowed in discussion areas if they are themselves tagged with {{spoiler}}, and, in the case of a Panopticon thread, if the word "spoiler" is included in the title of the thread. Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 17:16, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
Interesting point! I suppose it depends on the definition of "current Doctor". Fifteen certainly meets the standard of "highest confirmed consecutive number". – n8 (☎) 17:29, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
As I said, the Tardis:Spoiler policy#Spoilers and the forums section is intended to apply to talk page discussions as well, including Tardis_talk: ones, provided the necessary steps are taken. I may rewrite the section later to make this clearer, but you need only look to Talk:Doctor Who Wiki for precedent. Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 17:30, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
Sorry, by "consecutive number" I didn't mean consecutive number of stories. I meant that he's #15, latest in the numbered series that began with Hartnell (#1). As opposed to the Forty-Fifth Doctor, who isn't consecutive since we haven't seen 16–44, or the Fugitive Doctor, who wasn't numbered at all.
That was just my best stab at a definition, but upon further reflection I don't know it holds up, since it excludes 14. It strikes me that both might be the "current Doctor". (As an aside, you remark that 14 will be the current Doctor "until he steps down as the Doctor on TV" – but what would that definition mean for the Eighth Doctor from 2005-2013?)
In the end I think "current Doctor" is just a fuzzy category with no clear definition and we'd do best to avoid it. – NateBumber (☎) 15:29, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Re: SMW problem with future story pages[[edit source]]

Sorry about the delay in getting back to you. I could create a new SMW property, perhaps property:released, which is set to false if {{spoiler}} is used on the source page and true otherwise (potentially with some nuance for unreleased stories). Then, this property being true could be set as a condition in the SMW queries used to generate automated lists. For separating out TV stuff, if deemed necessary, a condition could be added tp the relevant queries that checks if property:medium is set to "tv story". Bongo50 ☎ 15:52, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

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