Talk:Sonic screwdriver: Difference between revisions

From Tardis Wiki, the free Doctor Who reference
No edit summary
 
(59 intermediate revisions by 30 users not shown)
Line 1: Line 1:
{{ArchCat}}
{{ArchCat}}


==mark vii not destroyed==
== Marks ==
Currently the article reads "This version of the screwdriver was destroyed when a [http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Sky_shark sky shark]bit it in half and swallowed the top half. ([http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/DW DW]: ''[http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/A_Christmas_Carol_(TV_story) A Christmas Carol]'')"
I'm starting to see our section headers being used as "official" names for the various iterations. Other articles are now using terms like "the Mark IV sonic", as if that means something.


but we can see the Doctor waving the sonic around in The Impossible Astronaut using it in the same function as seen in The Beast Below, so can we edit that sentence clarify that the sonic was eventually repaired off screen?
Is there ''any'' source for this mark business?  If not, it needs to be stripped from the article, replaced by more defensible, plain English terms like, "the Second Doctor's screwdriver", "the screwdriver that the Tenth Doctor used" and the like. 


[[Special:Contributions/207.216.38.197|207.216.38.197]] 21:33, April 28, 2011 (UTC)
We need to resist the fannish urge to number things that actually have no number in any valid source. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 14:49: Sun 14 Apr 2013</span>
:Additionally, the use of numbers has made the article internally incomprehensible, since Big Finish recently retroactively gave the Eighth Doctor a new sonic. This means that what was once the "Mark VI" is now the "Mark VII", and so on. There's absolutely no narrative reason why Big Finish ''couldn't'' give Five, Six or Seven a temporary sonic in future. Or why they might not give Eight another ''new'' sonic at some point. So if there is no source for the numbering of these sonics, the article needs to be wholly rewritten so as to use terms that are absolute, rather than numbers which are relative. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 15:49: Sun 14 Apr 2013</span>
::Maybe we need to start a forum for changing this to your suggestions. Right now there's something of an edit war between two (or more) IP users who keep changing the "marks" back and forth. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:00, May 30, 2013 (UTC)


Just because it looks the same doesn't mean it isn't a new screwdriver. I'm sure the MK V and VI have no discernable differences. [[Special:Contributions/94.2.179.230|94.2.179.230]] 15:24, May 2, 2011 (UTC)
::In the book [[Seeing I]], The Doctor builds a new sonic screwdriver, and then names it the mark 9! This shows just how inaccurate our attempts at numbering are. I think this wiki (which considers the books canon) needs to give up attempts at numbering the sonic screwdrivers. [[User:Holmes1963|Holmes1963]]
:Well, unless or until something official comes from BBC, I think it's safe to say the the Doctor either repaired his old SS while off-screen, or he got a SS off-screen, this new SS being exactly the same as the previous one. Either way, he still has the Mark VII. --[[User:Bold Clone|<span style="color:blue">'''Bold'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Bold Clone|<span style="color:gold">'''Clone'''</span>]] 16:08, May 2, 2011 (UTC)


:But in "The Big Bang" the Doctor tells Rory to point and press and then later in "Let's Kill Hitler" it has a psychic interface and it became point and think, so it might actually be a new screwdriver.[[Special:Contributions/70.113.55.111|70.113.55.111]] 02:45, September 10, 2011 (UTC)


== New 'driver ==
== Non-canon toys ==


Looks like the Doctor's screwdriver after the end of ''[[The Almost People]]'' [http://twitter.com/steven_moffat/status/78477345165549569 is a new one after all]:
There are a lot of new sonic screwdriver toys hitting the market lately, including some that aren't in the show (the "Build Your Own" and "Trans-temporal" sets, in particular). Should these be added in, and if so, how? --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] [[User talk:King Starscream|<span title="Talk to me"></span>]] 17:40, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
*'''DaveyK:''' @steven_moffat Dr gave sonic to ganger then had another in the TARDIS, yet had to put it in Amy's pocket in pandoricum due to only having 1?
*'''steven_moffat:''' @DaveyK He's got spares in the TARDIS. Didn't have a TARDIS in Pandorica.
Thoughts? '''<font color=#609000>d</font> [[User:Witoki|<font color=#609000>●</font>]][[User_talk:Witoki|<font color=#FF6090>●</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Witoki|<font color=#6090FF></font>]]''' 15:27, June 8, 2011 (UTC)


== New uses ==


The uses from [[The Time of the Doctor]] should be added.
[[User:Timppali|Timppali]] [[User talk:Timppali|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:24, December 27, 2013 (UTC)


I have 2 theroies -
== Non-Canon Appearances? ==


He rebuild one of the same mark or repaird his sonic in the X-mas carol, in the almost people/flesh doctor's ganger also had a sonic (1 it melted, 2 he pulled the other out of his pocketto scan amy, 3 the ganger copy clothes to and sonic in pocket(I bet he also had a ganger psychic paper too)), and in good man goes to war I didnt see the dr and rory with 2, just rory borrowing the one - my solution if the dr only has one mark VII
I notice how in the Sonic Screwdriver Page, we have a list for all the uses which it has throughout the show.
Although, Not sure if this has been suggested before, but should we also inclued a small section in that page that lists the Non-Canon uses that it has?
Examples being stuff like; The Shalka Doctor using it to turn the Tardis Phone into a Door or turning Catherine Tate into a Rose Figure in that Sketch Show?


or maybe the tadris can make more than one mark VII and he has a cup full of them    both theries work so idk which is more true
Like said, I'm not sure if this hasn't been suggested before, but should there be something for that, if one doesn't exsist already?{{Unsigned|BabClayton}}
:Basically, no, because we are trying to keep non-DWU stuff off the in-universe pages. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:40, December 29, 2013 (UTC)


== Mark X ==
==Having been destroyed==
How can the War Doctor's and the Tenth Doctor's and the Eleventh Doctor's screwdrivers be the same? The original blue, owned by the War, Ninth and Tenth (in a part of his life) was destroyed in ''Smith and Jones''. Later Tenth acquired a new identical one that was destroyed by Eleventh's use of it in ''The Eleventh Hour''. Then the TARDIS made a new green one to him. (If I'm not wrong it was also destroyed and replaced with an identical green one (not sure there)) How can the War Doctor's scanning be calculating in Tenth and Eleventh's sonic's?? --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:47, May 5, 2014 (UTC)


Was there actually an episode or spinoff that said that the different versions of the sonic screwdriver were referred to as mark whatever. Apart from the fact that that seems to be a completely random term that was made up, we don't even know if the numbers are accurate. For all we know, the First Doctor could have had hundreds of different sonic screwdrivers before the first one we saw with the Second Doctor. Also, do we need to list everything that the sonic screwdriver has ever done. For example, the Eleventh Doctor's screwdriver is said to be capable of scanning Starship UK's engine room, scanning Father Octavian's computer, determining the nature of the cracks, scanning life forms, scanning piles of dust for traces of children, detecting where lights are, scanning for heat signatures, scanning an infection, scanning stonehenge, scanning the Pandorica, to confirm the isomorphic nature of a control panel, scanning the flesh, and detecting if a person is fatally wounded. Why don't we just say that one of its functions is scanning. The way it is now is very redundant, and if you were to ask the Doctor what one of the functions of his screwdriver is, he wouldn't say "oh, I can use it to scan Father Octavian's computer." The same goes for other repetitive uses like opening doors and hatches, or unlocking things.[[User:Gowron8472|Gowron8472]] 17:31, August 16, 2011 (UTC)
:I believe the idea is that the screwdrivers are the same 'at a software level' i.e the program(s) that the sonic screwdriver runs remains the same and as such the software (which could possibly be located in the TARDIS or something given its abilities to fart out a new sonic for the Doctor in The Eleventh Hour) carried on doing the necessary calculation. Oh, and just a heads up, but I think this kind of thing belongs in the discontinuity guide (if we still use that) rather than the talk page.   [[User:ScotchAutopilot|ScotchAutopilot]] [[User talk:ScotchAutopilot|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:12, May 5, 2014 (UTC)


::Thanks. Maybe, you're right about that. The Tardis could be the answer. :) --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:36, May 5, 2014 (UTC)


:I think we should keep them, though if it gets too large, we could put the different versions into seperate articles. --[[User:MrThermomanPreacher|MrThermomanPreacher]] 18:01, August 16, 2011 (UTC)
== Walther pistols ==


The War Doctor doesn't say "water pistols", he says "Walther pistols".


::Maybe we should change it to models say 1st model, 4th model, ? model or even I model, IV model, and ? model, but Mark sounds really good, and I agree with your 2nd half, it lists things to specific, but scanning piles of dust for traces of children is so funny. We really need to limit that.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walther_arms
::
::Well, I don't really care that much about the whole mark thing, something really needs to be done about the obnoxiously long list of uses. We can shorten the Eleventh Doctor's screwdriver's list to basically just, scanning, interfacing with computers/technology, and opening doors/hatches. Then, if it is used for another purpose we can list that, but most of its uses fall itnto one of those three categories.[[User:Gowron8472|Gowron8472]] 21:57, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
::


==Pictures for Mark III and ?==
Was that supposed to be a joke or did you guys really think that?{{Unsigned-anon|174.112.212.21}}
I think we should add pictures to theses too -


http://geektyrant.com/storage/post-images-2011/Tom%20Baker%20w%20sonic%202.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1302309687006
== Removed Flatline example ==


and
Removed this


[http://www.yourprops.com/norm-48f617a0473f3-Doctor+Who+(TV)+(2005).jpeg http://www.yourprops.com/norm-48f617a0473f3-Doctor+Who+(TV)+(2005).jpeg ]
* Breaking a window. ([[TV]]: ''[[Flatline (TV story)|Flatline]]'')


[http://www.yourprops.com/norm-48f617a0473f3-Doctor+Who+(TV)+(2005).jpeg or]
Because while technically true, it wasn't the sonic that shattered the glass in this scene, it basically released the glass chair thing from its position, and ''that'' broke the window, so Clara and Rigsy could get to safety. I don't know the best way of wording that though. -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 16:52, October 30, 2014 (UTC)


http://www.omg-squee.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/river-song.jpg
== Page protection ==


I don't know or care what the issue is with this article, but I do care about the edit warring. The page has been locked for one week so editors can hash out their disagreement '''here''' without violating [[T:NO WARS]]. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:07, December 7, 2015 (UTC)


== Other Matters Section ==


: We can't add these pictures to the article because they do not come from a Doctor Who story. every picture on this article needs to come from an in-universe source. --[[User:Revanvolatrelundar|Revan]]\[[User_talk:Revanvolatrelundar|Talk]] 13:01, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
Someone has published the last bit to this page "Other Matters" and not finished the type. It needs to be finished or removed. I made no edit, but assume the author will make a decision poste haste.


::Well, I think the first one's okay... --[[User:OttselSpy25|OS24]] 22:38, December 16, 2011 (UTC)
OTHER MATTERS
In the original script for The Husbands of River Song (TV story)


== Readings ==
== Series 9 Sonic ==
[[User:RogerAckroydLives|RogerAckroydLives]], I understand the need to make everything fit into your vision of the DWU, but there is nothing that makes it impossible for the Doctor to use his screwdriver in [[Series 9 (Doctor Who 2005)|Series 9]]. Claiming that the DWA comic stories take place in a different order than the release order is pure speculation and does not belong on one of this wiki's most popular pages. [[User:TheChampionOfTime|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT">The Champion of Time</span>]]  [[User talk:TheChampionOfTime|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span> ]] 20:31, May 9, 2016 (UTC)


When the scans somthing with his screwdriver and then looks at it, what actaully is he reading? Has it been mentioned.
I'm going to chime in here and state that this page will be fully protected if this incessant edit warring does not stop. I have stressed, till I'm blue in the face, that we '''can't and don't''' try to place events in any kind of order. The writers of the DWU stories don't give a damn about any kind of continuity; as such, it is impossible for us to exactly place every event without indulging in speculation, which is not allowed on this wiki. If you want to play with timelines, go to [[Theory:Timey-wimey detector]]; otherwise, '''keep it off the main namespace'''. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:33, May 9, 2016 (UTC)


:No, I don't think so, but Rory has mentioned that the SS works via a psychic link. The Doctor may simply know the SS's readings through that mental interface. However, that doesn't necessarily explain why he always looks at the SS...--[[User:Bold Clone|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Bold'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Bold Clone|<span style="color:gold">'''Clone'''</span>]] 01:27, September 8, 2011 (UTC)
:Champion, ''everything'' we write is "speculation" of the sort you describe. My edits have nothing to do with "my vision". They are to do with making a coherent narrative. If in-universe info makes something apparent, I haven't any choice but to edit accordingly, regardless of whether it fits my "canon" or not. However, in cases like this, it is ''entirely'' possible that the story works to complement understood events. Perhaps I am guilty of "making things fit", but only on the same level as any editor on the wiki is when they place a 7 and Ace story on the 7 page in a place when 7 and Ace are travelling together. Popularity of page has no bearing on anything on this wiki, other than maybe when individuals wish to make large structural changes or similar technical edits.


Well, Eleven's sonic is certainly psychic, but I don't think that Ten's was and he also used it for scanning. When the Eleventh lends his screwddriver to others, he tells them to point and think, but when the Ninth and Tenth leant people tehir screwdrivers, they would always tell people what setting to use. Wasn't there a line in ''School Reunion'' where Sarah was having trouble using the Tenth Doctor's sonic screwdriver, saying that it always used to work in her day. Maybe the Third and Fourth Doctor's screwdrivers had psychic interfaces, but the Tenth Doctor's didn't for some reason.[[User:Icecreamdif|Icecreamdif]] 20:58, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
:Shambala, I think both Champion and I already know policy, but we certainly ''do'' try and place things in a kind of order: you'll find it on the page of every multi-appearance character, location, object, etc. Yep, speculation is not on, I know that and have ever since I started editing, and none is going on here. As for an "edit war", I understand a couple of reversions back and forth might not be desirable, but it is far from an ongoing battle.


I had seen somewhere- (concept art I suspect) that the Eleventh Doctor's screwdriver had little displays which showed when it was 'extended', and hidden when compact, explaining why after scanning something, he always extends the device and stares at a point just above the leather grip.
:P.S. Champion, if you want to address something directly to me, you would be better off using my talk page. [[User:RogerAckroydLives|RogerAckroydLives]] [[User talk:RogerAckroydLives|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 05:30, May 10, 2016 (UTC)


The canonicity is vague, but with the Character options 'Personalise your sonic screwdriver', the two alternate 'drivers do indeed have displays in that position with galifreyan script on them. Serapheagle
== Sonic Technology ==


==Sigh...==
[[Sonic technology]] could not be [[Time Lord]] technology, so [[The Doctor]] could not have engineered it. As stated in the wiki article, in the TV episode [[Partners in Crime]], [[Miss Foster]] ([[Cofelia]]), a woman with no [[Time Lord]] connections, had a [[Sonic device]], namely a [[Sonic pen]]. Also, in the TV episode [[The Sontaran Stratagem]], [[General Staal]] refers to [[The Doctor]]'s actions against the [[Teleport pod]] in [[Luke Rattigan]]'s room as 'Primitive Sonic Trickery'. This would mean that the [[Sontarans]] had encountered sonic technology before, and not from [[The Doctor]] or the [[Time Lords]].
Let's agree to disagree here. Unless there is some very obvious differences between the sonic screwdrivers eaten by the shark, taken by the Shansheeth and blown up in the acid factory, YES - the Eleventh Doctor had doubles of it. ([[Special:Contributions/173.167.179.77|173.167.179.77]] 23:50, November 15, 2011 (UTC))
==This is becoming a headache==
Dispite being vastly different versions, the sonic screwdrivers have the same settings and purposes despite the Mark 7 (the green glow one) have a psychic link to the Eleventh Doctor for its settings. So "Known Uses" list everything that '''''A''''' sonic screwdriver can do.([[Special:Contributions/173.167.179.77|173.167.179.77]] 23:50, November 15, 2011 (UTC))


== Eighth Doctors new 'driver? ==
[[Special:Contributions/82.14.15.128|82.14.15.128]]<sup>[[User talk:82.14.15.128#top|talk to me]]</sup> 14:29, June 4, 2016 (UTC) 82.14.15.128
: Even if there were conflict there I don't see what you would have us make of it. That would hardly be the only example of conflict on whether technology X or Y is common, or the privilege of a particular advanced species.


What's the policy regarding the new Sonic Screwdriver designed for Paul McGann as part of his 'new look' for the Eighth Doctor by WETA?
: But beyond that, I don't see any conflict there. The Time Lords don't need to be the ''only'' ones to use sonic technology, just among the people who do; I mean, just to pick one example, the Time Lords are clearly familiar with the craft of weaving textiles, since they have robes and clothes of all kinds; I'm sure you could find a source where some other alien race is familiar with weaving and considers it rather primitive; that doesn't prove it's not part of "Time Lord technology".


: Even further, just because something isn't widespread or even particularly representative of Gallifreyan Time Lords is no reason for the Doctor to be unaware of it. Time Lords also don't usually go for bowties back home, yet here we are. --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:55, December 18, 2019 (UTC)


== Bloated uses ==


http://geektyrant.com/news/2010/10/23/paul-mcgann-reveals-new-costume-for-eighth-incarnation-of-do.html
The uses lists are too long and bloated. Perhaps it may be prudent to keep the uses general and less detailed and specific. For example, instead of using "Trying to set off multiple technological resources on Earth to draw the attention of the Atraxi; however, due to the damage it had sustained from Prisoner Zero and continued abuse, this action overtaxed the screwdriver and caused its components to fail, which ultimately led to it burning up and exploding with a large burst of sparks." it may be better to say "Interfering with technological resources". A further article could be devoted to the uses. I say this due to the article being a chore to read and repetitive.


==Gallery of Sonic Screwdrivers==
Duke of Skibbington 07:19, September 3, 2017 (UTC)
Could we perhaps make a gallery of the screwdrivers at different angles. With this, maybe we can observe the continuity of each model used as a prop in the show.
:I've also said that a looong time ago, but no one (including myself) never got around to reducing these sections. I'm against a separate page for the uses, but definitely agree that they should be written in a less specific manner. [[User:OncomingStorm12th|OncomingStorm12th]] [[User talk:OncomingStorm12th|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:44, December 18, 2019 (UTC)
::..... somehow I missed that this was a post from two years ago. [[User:OncomingStorm12th|OncomingStorm12th]] [[User talk:OncomingStorm12th|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:45, December 18, 2019 (UTC)
 
== Displaying Information ==
Hey, I have just spent an hour scrutinizing the entire wiki looking for a point I personally find very crucial. To my tremendous suprise, the matter was never discussed or even mentioned.
 
Sonic screwdrivers and similar devices can be used as to scan things, but they don't visually display the scanned information. So how exactly the user receives the scanned information? [[User:Maiovez|Maiovez]] [[User talk:Maiovez|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:16, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
:Well, they're activated by "point and think", as per several [[Eleventh Doctor]]-era sources. It's not much of a stretch to suggest that the device's telepathic abilities work in both directions and it beams the data right back into the user's mind. Although I don't think this has ever been specifically spelled out. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:47, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
::I have consdiered it; it does explain it very well. Though technically, it isn't outright telepathy, rather a neural interface, the cybernetic equivalent of telepathy. [[User:Maiovez|Maiovez]] [[User talk:Maiovez|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:45, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 20:14, 25 April 2024

Archive.png
Archives: #1, #2

Marks[[edit source]]

I'm starting to see our section headers being used as "official" names for the various iterations. Other articles are now using terms like "the Mark IV sonic", as if that means something.

Is there any source for this mark business? If not, it needs to be stripped from the article, replaced by more defensible, plain English terms like, "the Second Doctor's screwdriver", "the screwdriver that the Tenth Doctor used" and the like.

We need to resist the fannish urge to number things that actually have no number in any valid source.
czechout<staff />    14:49: Sun 14 Apr 2013

Additionally, the use of numbers has made the article internally incomprehensible, since Big Finish recently retroactively gave the Eighth Doctor a new sonic. This means that what was once the "Mark VI" is now the "Mark VII", and so on. There's absolutely no narrative reason why Big Finish couldn't give Five, Six or Seven a temporary sonic in future. Or why they might not give Eight another new sonic at some point. So if there is no source for the numbering of these sonics, the article needs to be wholly rewritten so as to use terms that are absolute, rather than numbers which are relative.
czechout<staff />    15:49: Sun 14 Apr 2013
Maybe we need to start a forum for changing this to your suggestions. Right now there's something of an edit war between two (or more) IP users who keep changing the "marks" back and forth. Shambala108 16:00, May 30, 2013 (UTC)
In the book Seeing I, The Doctor builds a new sonic screwdriver, and then names it the mark 9! This shows just how inaccurate our attempts at numbering are. I think this wiki (which considers the books canon) needs to give up attempts at numbering the sonic screwdrivers. Holmes1963


Non-canon toys[[edit source]]

There are a lot of new sonic screwdriver toys hitting the market lately, including some that aren't in the show (the "Build Your Own" and "Trans-temporal" sets, in particular). Should these be added in, and if so, how? --King Starscream 17:40, May 29, 2013 (UTC)

New uses[[edit source]]

The uses from The Time of the Doctor should be added. Timppali 15:24, December 27, 2013 (UTC)

Non-Canon Appearances?[[edit source]]

I notice how in the Sonic Screwdriver Page, we have a list for all the uses which it has throughout the show. Although, Not sure if this has been suggested before, but should we also inclued a small section in that page that lists the Non-Canon uses that it has? Examples being stuff like; The Shalka Doctor using it to turn the Tardis Phone into a Door or turning Catherine Tate into a Rose Figure in that Sketch Show?

Like said, I'm not sure if this hasn't been suggested before, but should there be something for that, if one doesn't exsist already?The preceding unsigned comment was added by BabClayton (talk • contribs) .

Basically, no, because we are trying to keep non-DWU stuff off the in-universe pages. Shambala108 21:40, December 29, 2013 (UTC)

Having been destroyed[[edit source]]

How can the War Doctor's and the Tenth Doctor's and the Eleventh Doctor's screwdrivers be the same? The original blue, owned by the War, Ninth and Tenth (in a part of his life) was destroyed in Smith and Jones. Later Tenth acquired a new identical one that was destroyed by Eleventh's use of it in The Eleventh Hour. Then the TARDIS made a new green one to him. (If I'm not wrong it was also destroyed and replaced with an identical green one (not sure there)) How can the War Doctor's scanning be calculating in Tenth and Eleventh's sonic's?? --DCLM 13:47, May 5, 2014 (UTC)

I believe the idea is that the screwdrivers are the same 'at a software level' i.e the program(s) that the sonic screwdriver runs remains the same and as such the software (which could possibly be located in the TARDIS or something given its abilities to fart out a new sonic for the Doctor in The Eleventh Hour) carried on doing the necessary calculation. Oh, and just a heads up, but I think this kind of thing belongs in the discontinuity guide (if we still use that) rather than the talk page. ScotchAutopilot 15:12, May 5, 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. Maybe, you're right about that. The Tardis could be the answer. :) --DCLM 22:36, May 5, 2014 (UTC)

Walther pistols[[edit source]]

The War Doctor doesn't say "water pistols", he says "Walther pistols".

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walther_arms

Was that supposed to be a joke or did you guys really think that?The preceding unsigned comment was added by 174.112.212.21 (talk).

Removed Flatline example[[edit source]]

Removed this

Because while technically true, it wasn't the sonic that shattered the glass in this scene, it basically released the glass chair thing from its position, and that broke the window, so Clara and Rigsy could get to safety. I don't know the best way of wording that though. -- Tybort (talk page) 16:52, October 30, 2014 (UTC)

Page protection[[edit source]]

I don't know or care what the issue is with this article, but I do care about the edit warring. The page has been locked for one week so editors can hash out their disagreement here without violating T:NO WARS. Shambala108 01:07, December 7, 2015 (UTC)

Other Matters Section[[edit source]]

Someone has published the last bit to this page "Other Matters" and not finished the type. It needs to be finished or removed. I made no edit, but assume the author will make a decision poste haste.

OTHER MATTERS In the original script for The Husbands of River Song (TV story)

Series 9 Sonic[[edit source]]

RogerAckroydLives, I understand the need to make everything fit into your vision of the DWU, but there is nothing that makes it impossible for the Doctor to use his screwdriver in Series 9. Claiming that the DWA comic stories take place in a different order than the release order is pure speculation and does not belong on one of this wiki's most popular pages. The Champion of Time 20:31, May 9, 2016 (UTC)

I'm going to chime in here and state that this page will be fully protected if this incessant edit warring does not stop. I have stressed, till I'm blue in the face, that we can't and don't try to place events in any kind of order. The writers of the DWU stories don't give a damn about any kind of continuity; as such, it is impossible for us to exactly place every event without indulging in speculation, which is not allowed on this wiki. If you want to play with timelines, go to Theory:Timey-wimey detector; otherwise, keep it off the main namespace. Shambala108 23:33, May 9, 2016 (UTC)

Champion, everything we write is "speculation" of the sort you describe. My edits have nothing to do with "my vision". They are to do with making a coherent narrative. If in-universe info makes something apparent, I haven't any choice but to edit accordingly, regardless of whether it fits my "canon" or not. However, in cases like this, it is entirely possible that the story works to complement understood events. Perhaps I am guilty of "making things fit", but only on the same level as any editor on the wiki is when they place a 7 and Ace story on the 7 page in a place when 7 and Ace are travelling together. Popularity of page has no bearing on anything on this wiki, other than maybe when individuals wish to make large structural changes or similar technical edits.
Shambala, I think both Champion and I already know policy, but we certainly do try and place things in a kind of order: you'll find it on the page of every multi-appearance character, location, object, etc. Yep, speculation is not on, I know that and have ever since I started editing, and none is going on here. As for an "edit war", I understand a couple of reversions back and forth might not be desirable, but it is far from an ongoing battle.
P.S. Champion, if you want to address something directly to me, you would be better off using my talk page. RogerAckroydLives 05:30, May 10, 2016 (UTC)

Sonic Technology[[edit source]]

Sonic technology could not be Time Lord technology, so The Doctor could not have engineered it. As stated in the wiki article, in the TV episode Partners in Crime, Miss Foster (Cofelia), a woman with no Time Lord connections, had a Sonic device, namely a Sonic pen. Also, in the TV episode The Sontaran Stratagem, General Staal refers to The Doctor's actions against the Teleport pod in Luke Rattigan's room as 'Primitive Sonic Trickery'. This would mean that the Sontarans had encountered sonic technology before, and not from The Doctor or the Time Lords.

82.14.15.128talk to me 14:29, June 4, 2016 (UTC) 82.14.15.128

Even if there were conflict there I don't see what you would have us make of it. That would hardly be the only example of conflict on whether technology X or Y is common, or the privilege of a particular advanced species.
But beyond that, I don't see any conflict there. The Time Lords don't need to be the only ones to use sonic technology, just among the people who do; I mean, just to pick one example, the Time Lords are clearly familiar with the craft of weaving textiles, since they have robes and clothes of all kinds; I'm sure you could find a source where some other alien race is familiar with weaving and considers it rather primitive; that doesn't prove it's not part of "Time Lord technology".
Even further, just because something isn't widespread or even particularly representative of Gallifreyan Time Lords is no reason for the Doctor to be unaware of it. Time Lords also don't usually go for bowties back home, yet here we are. --Scrooge MacDuck 22:55, December 18, 2019 (UTC)

Bloated uses[[edit source]]

The uses lists are too long and bloated. Perhaps it may be prudent to keep the uses general and less detailed and specific. For example, instead of using "Trying to set off multiple technological resources on Earth to draw the attention of the Atraxi; however, due to the damage it had sustained from Prisoner Zero and continued abuse, this action overtaxed the screwdriver and caused its components to fail, which ultimately led to it burning up and exploding with a large burst of sparks." it may be better to say "Interfering with technological resources". A further article could be devoted to the uses. I say this due to the article being a chore to read and repetitive.

Duke of Skibbington 07:19, September 3, 2017 (UTC)

I've also said that a looong time ago, but no one (including myself) never got around to reducing these sections. I'm against a separate page for the uses, but definitely agree that they should be written in a less specific manner. OncomingStorm12th 21:44, December 18, 2019 (UTC)
..... somehow I missed that this was a post from two years ago. OncomingStorm12th 21:45, December 18, 2019 (UTC)

Displaying Information[[edit source]]

Hey, I have just spent an hour scrutinizing the entire wiki looking for a point I personally find very crucial. To my tremendous suprise, the matter was never discussed or even mentioned.

Sonic screwdrivers and similar devices can be used as to scan things, but they don't visually display the scanned information. So how exactly the user receives the scanned information? Maiovez 19:16, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Well, they're activated by "point and think", as per several Eleventh Doctor-era sources. It's not much of a stretch to suggest that the device's telepathic abilities work in both directions and it beams the data right back into the user's mind. Although I don't think this has ever been specifically spelled out. Scrooge MacDuck 19:47, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
I have consdiered it; it does explain it very well. Though technically, it isn't outright telepathy, rather a neural interface, the cybernetic equivalent of telepathy. Maiovez 21:45, 28 July 2021 (UTC)