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Infobox suggests that ''[[Oh No It Isn't! (novel)]]''/''[[Oh No It Isn't! (audio story)]]'' and ''[[Let's Kill Hitler]]'' are the same person. Given ''Oh No It Isn't'' takes place in the 26th century and the epilogue of ''Let's Kill Hitler'' takes place in the 51st it's unlikely, though not impossible. However as there's no proof either way I'm disambiguating them. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 11:45, February 2, 2012 (UTC) | Infobox suggests that ''[[Oh No It Isn't! (novel)]]''/''[[Oh No It Isn't! (audio story)]]'' and ''[[Let's Kill Hitler]]'' are the same person. Given ''Oh No It Isn't'' takes place in the 26th century and the epilogue of ''Let's Kill Hitler'' takes place in the 51st it's unlikely, though not impossible. However as there's no proof either way I'm disambiguating them. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 11:45, February 2, 2012 (UTC) | ||
:Sorry, my mistake, should have read the Behind the scenes section more closely. There is enough information to suggest they're the same. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 11:53, February 2, 2012 (UTC) | |||
::Well, it ''does'' need to be disambiguated, because otherwise [[candy]] lights up in blue, and people will accidentally link to it, just like they've been doing with [[bishop]], until I moved it to [[Bishop (The Idiot's Lantern)]]. I don't particularly buy that this is the same guy as in ''Continuity Errors'' or ''Oh No It Isn't'', largely because the name doesn't actually appear in the ''narrative'' of ''Let's Kill Hitler''. This is a credits-only thing, so any connection between the two is totally out-of-universe. Basically, people are saying, "Moffat wrote both stories, so therefore he ''intended'' a connection." Maybe he did; maybe he didn't. Either way, it's a non-narrative connection. If there was even the guy's name on a door in ''Let's Kill Hitler'', I'd feel differently. But it's not. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}05:03: Fri 03 Feb 2012 </span> | |||
:::Plus, Continuity Errors takes place in 2643 and Let's Kill Hitler's end is in 5123. So unless Prof. Candy lives an exceptionally long life or travelled through time... [[User:AilaG|AilaG]] <sup>[[User talk:AilaG|talk to me]]</sup> 08:19, April 22, 2012 (UTC) | |||
:::::It's worth noting that two other members of the faculty of St Oscars are out of their accustomed time - Menelove Stokes was taken back in time by the Black Guardian, and Bernice Summerfield was from.... what, ten, twenty years back? Not that that's evidence, of course, but makes the question of time travel in Prof. Candy's case less unlikely.[[Special:Contributions/86.178.205.84|86.178.205.84]]<sup>[[User talk:86.178.205.84#top|talk to me]]</sup> 16:21, November 15, 2013 (UTC) | |||
::::::This discussion stalled seven years ago, but since then, several new facts have come to light. Firstly, [[GAME]]: ''[[The Eternity Clock (video game)|The Eternity Clock]]'' confirmed the ''Let's Kill Hitler'' character's name as Professor Candy within its actual narrative, laying ''those'' worries to rest. Secondly, [[PROSE]]: ''[[Afterword (short story)|Afterword]]'' establishes that Candy ''did in fact'' end up displaced in time as part of the Doctor's impish revenge for the character-defamation. Granted, that account explains how Candy ends up in the 20th century from his native 26th, but once it's established that he does time-travel, Moffat choosing to present him at a different point is again interesting. | |||
::::::Additionally, ''[[Big Bang Generation (novel)|Big Bang Generation]]'' offered its own hints as to explaining the temporally-displaced Candy, suggesting there was a whole lineage of identical Professor Candy clones, who all contributed to a single body of scholarly work (there is a mention of "the writings of the Generational Professorial Clone Family of Candy"). The whole point of such a statement being that any two Candys may or may not be one and the same, I vote that we keep the various Professors on the same page, but rename it to simply [[Candy (Continuity Errors)]] or even [[Professor Candy]], in part to deal with the issue in the section directly below. --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:47, May 11, 2020 (UTC) | |||
== Professor Arthur Candy == | |||
Professor Candy in "Let's Kill Hitler" is not named Arthur. Arthur Candy is the book character. Artrem Candy is what Moffat gives as his name in "The Eternity Clock", so they are two different people. You may want to change the title to just Professor Candy & note that there was an Arthur Candy in a novel, but Moffat then changed who he was as revealed in TEC. [[Special:Contributions/50.78.57.153|50.78.57.153]]<sup>[[User talk:50.78.57.153#top|talk to me]]</sup> 16:48, October 9, 2013 (UTC) Erin | |||
:I think it's worth remembering that the first name "Arthur" for the prose Candy is only given in ''[[Afterwords (short story)|Afterwords]]'' in the context of the character being stuck in the 20th century due to the Doctor. It's not absurd to imagine that he'd tweak his name from the futuristic "Artrem" to a more inconspicuous, non-anachronistic variant, i.e. Arthur. | |||
:But more importantly, we've got ''[[Big Bang Generation (novel)|Big Bang Generation]]'' (a [[Twelfth Doctor]] novel) mentioning “the Generational Professorial Clone Family of Candy”, a clear hint that there were a bunch of Professors Candy acting as one entity. Since the whole point is that we don't know which Candy was which, I think it's best for everyone's sanity to keep them all on one page — and the potentially conflicting names become a feature, not a bug! --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:47, May 11, 2020 (UTC) | |||
::Professor Candy is actually called "Arthur" in ''Oh No It Isn't!'' as well. [[User:Jack "BtR" Saxon|Jack "BtR" Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack "BtR" Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:58, 25 January 2022 (UTC) | |||
== Afterword by Professor Candy == | |||
This article cites a prose story "Afterword by Professor Candy" but there is no link to an article. Googling brings up no other hits whatsoever. Is this a legitimate citation, or ought it to be deleted?[[Special:Contributions/86.178.205.84|86.178.205.84]]<sup>[[User talk:86.178.205.84#top|talk to me]]</sup> 16:18, November 15, 2013 (UTC) | |||
:It's the final page of ''Decalog 3'', although the title is just "Afterword", with the author given as "Professor Arthur Candy (Dictated to Steven Moffat)". [[User:Daibhid C|Daibhid C]] [[User talk:Daibhid C|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 12:48, June 7, 2015 (UTC) | |||
::…and five years later, the link is corrected!--[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:47, May 11, 2020 (UTC) |
Latest revision as of 20:58, 25 January 2022
Same person?[[edit source]]
Infobox suggests that Oh No It Isn't! (novel)/Oh No It Isn't! (audio story) and Let's Kill Hitler are the same person. Given Oh No It Isn't takes place in the 26th century and the epilogue of Let's Kill Hitler takes place in the 51st it's unlikely, though not impossible. However as there's no proof either way I'm disambiguating them. --Tangerineduel / talk 11:45, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
- Sorry, my mistake, should have read the Behind the scenes section more closely. There is enough information to suggest they're the same. --Tangerineduel / talk 11:53, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
- Well, it does need to be disambiguated, because otherwise candy lights up in blue, and people will accidentally link to it, just like they've been doing with bishop, until I moved it to Bishop (The Idiot's Lantern). I don't particularly buy that this is the same guy as in Continuity Errors or Oh No It Isn't, largely because the name doesn't actually appear in the narrative of Let's Kill Hitler. This is a credits-only thing, so any connection between the two is totally out-of-universe. Basically, people are saying, "Moffat wrote both stories, so therefore he intended a connection." Maybe he did; maybe he didn't. Either way, it's a non-narrative connection. If there was even the guy's name on a door in Let's Kill Hitler, I'd feel differently. But it's not.
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍ 05:03: Fri 03 Feb 2012- Plus, Continuity Errors takes place in 2643 and Let's Kill Hitler's end is in 5123. So unless Prof. Candy lives an exceptionally long life or travelled through time... AilaG talk to me 08:19, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
- It's worth noting that two other members of the faculty of St Oscars are out of their accustomed time - Menelove Stokes was taken back in time by the Black Guardian, and Bernice Summerfield was from.... what, ten, twenty years back? Not that that's evidence, of course, but makes the question of time travel in Prof. Candy's case less unlikely.86.178.205.84talk to me 16:21, November 15, 2013 (UTC)
- This discussion stalled seven years ago, but since then, several new facts have come to light. Firstly, GAME: The Eternity Clock confirmed the Let's Kill Hitler character's name as Professor Candy within its actual narrative, laying those worries to rest. Secondly, PROSE: Afterword establishes that Candy did in fact end up displaced in time as part of the Doctor's impish revenge for the character-defamation. Granted, that account explains how Candy ends up in the 20th century from his native 26th, but once it's established that he does time-travel, Moffat choosing to present him at a different point is again interesting.
- It's worth noting that two other members of the faculty of St Oscars are out of their accustomed time - Menelove Stokes was taken back in time by the Black Guardian, and Bernice Summerfield was from.... what, ten, twenty years back? Not that that's evidence, of course, but makes the question of time travel in Prof. Candy's case less unlikely.86.178.205.84talk to me 16:21, November 15, 2013 (UTC)
- Plus, Continuity Errors takes place in 2643 and Let's Kill Hitler's end is in 5123. So unless Prof. Candy lives an exceptionally long life or travelled through time... AilaG talk to me 08:19, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
- Well, it does need to be disambiguated, because otherwise candy lights up in blue, and people will accidentally link to it, just like they've been doing with bishop, until I moved it to Bishop (The Idiot's Lantern). I don't particularly buy that this is the same guy as in Continuity Errors or Oh No It Isn't, largely because the name doesn't actually appear in the narrative of Let's Kill Hitler. This is a credits-only thing, so any connection between the two is totally out-of-universe. Basically, people are saying, "Moffat wrote both stories, so therefore he intended a connection." Maybe he did; maybe he didn't. Either way, it's a non-narrative connection. If there was even the guy's name on a door in Let's Kill Hitler, I'd feel differently. But it's not.
- Additionally, Big Bang Generation offered its own hints as to explaining the temporally-displaced Candy, suggesting there was a whole lineage of identical Professor Candy clones, who all contributed to a single body of scholarly work (there is a mention of "the writings of the Generational Professorial Clone Family of Candy"). The whole point of such a statement being that any two Candys may or may not be one and the same, I vote that we keep the various Professors on the same page, but rename it to simply Candy (Continuity Errors) or even Professor Candy, in part to deal with the issue in the section directly below. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 14:47, May 11, 2020 (UTC)
Professor Arthur Candy[[edit source]]
Professor Candy in "Let's Kill Hitler" is not named Arthur. Arthur Candy is the book character. Artrem Candy is what Moffat gives as his name in "The Eternity Clock", so they are two different people. You may want to change the title to just Professor Candy & note that there was an Arthur Candy in a novel, but Moffat then changed who he was as revealed in TEC. 50.78.57.153talk to me 16:48, October 9, 2013 (UTC) Erin
- I think it's worth remembering that the first name "Arthur" for the prose Candy is only given in Afterwords in the context of the character being stuck in the 20th century due to the Doctor. It's not absurd to imagine that he'd tweak his name from the futuristic "Artrem" to a more inconspicuous, non-anachronistic variant, i.e. Arthur.
- But more importantly, we've got Big Bang Generation (a Twelfth Doctor novel) mentioning “the Generational Professorial Clone Family of Candy”, a clear hint that there were a bunch of Professors Candy acting as one entity. Since the whole point is that we don't know which Candy was which, I think it's best for everyone's sanity to keep them all on one page — and the potentially conflicting names become a feature, not a bug! --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 14:47, May 11, 2020 (UTC)
- Professor Candy is actually called "Arthur" in Oh No It Isn't! as well. Jack "BtR" Saxon ☎ 20:58, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
Afterword by Professor Candy[[edit source]]
This article cites a prose story "Afterword by Professor Candy" but there is no link to an article. Googling brings up no other hits whatsoever. Is this a legitimate citation, or ought it to be deleted?86.178.205.84talk to me 16:18, November 15, 2013 (UTC)
- It's the final page of Decalog 3, although the title is just "Afterword", with the author given as "Professor Arthur Candy (Dictated to Steven Moffat)". Daibhid C ☎ 12:48, June 7, 2015 (UTC)
- …and five years later, the link is corrected!--Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 14:47, May 11, 2020 (UTC)