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==Two questions== | ==Two questions== | ||
* 1: Were those clockwork robots, by any chance, [[Supreme Alliance]] work? We know from ''[[The Talons of Weng-Chiang]]'' that the Three Laws of Robotics were not very popular in the fifty-first century. | |||
:unless the story itself says so specifically, I think we can assume that they had nothing to do with each other. (good rule in general.) remember the hugeness of space or even of Earth for that matter. | |||
* 2: In the mind meld, Madame de Pompadour MUST have seen the [[French Revolution]] and the [[Reign of Terror]]. How could that not have changed things? - [[User:Tawaki|Tawaki]] 20:06, 6 May 2008 (UTC) | * 2: In the mind meld, Madame de Pompadour MUST have seen the [[French Revolution]] and the [[Reign of Terror]]. How could that not have changed things? - [[User:Tawaki|Tawaki]] 20:06, 6 May 2008 (UTC) | ||
:definitely a plot hole which the story itself obviously doesn't address. it doesn't address, leave it that, unless you want to make note of it as a plot hole. [[User:76.24.20.92|76.24.20.92]] 20:53, 6 May 2008 (UTC) | |||
:I can think of a few possible explanations. | |||
#They didn't really seem to be connected for very long. It would probably take a while to sort through centuries of memories. | |||
#Neither the Doctor or Madame de Pompadour really had much reason to be looking for those memories, so there's no reason for them to be found. | |||
#She might not have found the context for those memories, just the events themselves. | |||
:-<[[User:Azes13|Azes13]] 21:27, 6 May 2008 (UTC)>- | |||
== A Small Curiosity == | |||
Why can't the Doctor just use the TARDIS to go back in time to the moment after he left and Reinette went to pack and pick her up then? Would that change the future? Would it poke a hole in the time stream? Would it rip apart the fabric of time and space, effectively destroying the universe? Or would it just be too much of a happy ending and the writers wouldn't know how to eventually get rid of her? --[[User:SmokeHeart|SmokeHeart]] <sup>[[User talk:SmokeHeart|talk to me]]</sup> 19:49, April 11, 2012 (UTC) | |||
Because, as we found in [[The Angels Take Manhattan (TV story)]], once the Doctor has found that she has died, it's too late to change - it's become fixed, and any attempt to change it tempts disaster due to hubris. For all his travel in time, the Doctor does live his life in a linear fashion. [[User:ComicBookGoddess|ComicBookGoddess]] [[User talk:ComicBookGoddess|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 07:52, February 15, 2013 (UTC) | |||
== Uncredited cast == | |||
I've moved the uncredited cast to the talk page until they can be properly sourced (no IMDB). [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:33, October 16, 2012 (UTC) | |||
* [[Maria Leszczynska|Queen Maria Leszczynska]] - [[Gayle Ann Felton]] (uncredited) | |||
* [[Clockwork Man 2]] - [[Sean Palmer]] (uncredited) | |||
* [[Clockwork Woman 2]] - [[Agnieszka Blonska]] (uncredited) | |||
== Similar To The Ponds == | |||
Isn't this story Sort of the Story of the Ponds done in one episode? Amy==Madame de Pompadour & Rory==the King. Clockwork robots==crack in the wall. Both Madame & Amy living a full life, just missing the doctor. | |||
Do this sort of info belong in the wiki? -svenh | |||
: I don't see it at all. The Doctor was not romantically interested in Amy. It actually kind of horrified him when she kissed him because he still thought of her as a child. He only had two brief moments with Reinette when she was a girl and he seemed to view her more as an adult woman. [[User:Badwolff|Badwolff]] [[User talk:Badwolff|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:37, May 28, 2013 (UTC) | |||
== Portals on a spaceship just don't make sense == | |||
Why didn't the clockbots just open a portal and buy (or steal) the parts they needed? | |||
Possible answer: they were required to open the portal and get the only thing they really needed (Madame De Pompadour's brain). | |||
And then why would a spaceship that can generate portals to anywhere ever need to physically move? It would be far easier to always use this tecnology, wouldn't it?! [[Special:Contributions/109.52.152.206|109.52.152.206]]<sup>[[User talk:109.52.152.206#top|talk to me]]</sup> 13:30, April 2, 2014 (UTC) | |||
:This kind of discussion is better suited for [[Howling:The Howling]]. Discussion pages are '''only''' for discussing the editing of articles. Any discussions of theories or speculation can only be posted to the Howling. Thanks. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:02, April 2, 2014 (UTC) | |||
:Around minute 19, The Doctor asks [[Repair droid 7]] why they went to France to look for [[Jeanne-Antoinette Poisson]], instead of going the repair yard. The droid answers that one more part is required, and that "they are the same." This suggests the droid confuses the ship's name with the actual person. | |||
:The Doctor says that they (the droids) did well in hitting the right century considering the damage to the circuits. After the droids hit the 18th century, it was trial and error. [[Time window]]s were not perfect limiting their uses. | |||
Latest revision as of 16:33, 20 June 2021
Two questions[[edit source]]
- 1: Were those clockwork robots, by any chance, Supreme Alliance work? We know from The Talons of Weng-Chiang that the Three Laws of Robotics were not very popular in the fifty-first century.
- unless the story itself says so specifically, I think we can assume that they had nothing to do with each other. (good rule in general.) remember the hugeness of space or even of Earth for that matter.
- 2: In the mind meld, Madame de Pompadour MUST have seen the French Revolution and the Reign of Terror. How could that not have changed things? - Tawaki 20:06, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
- definitely a plot hole which the story itself obviously doesn't address. it doesn't address, leave it that, unless you want to make note of it as a plot hole. 76.24.20.92 20:53, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
- I can think of a few possible explanations.
- They didn't really seem to be connected for very long. It would probably take a while to sort through centuries of memories.
- Neither the Doctor or Madame de Pompadour really had much reason to be looking for those memories, so there's no reason for them to be found.
- She might not have found the context for those memories, just the events themselves.
- -<Azes13 21:27, 6 May 2008 (UTC)>-
A Small Curiosity[[edit source]]
Why can't the Doctor just use the TARDIS to go back in time to the moment after he left and Reinette went to pack and pick her up then? Would that change the future? Would it poke a hole in the time stream? Would it rip apart the fabric of time and space, effectively destroying the universe? Or would it just be too much of a happy ending and the writers wouldn't know how to eventually get rid of her? --SmokeHeart talk to me 19:49, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
Because, as we found in The Angels Take Manhattan (TV story), once the Doctor has found that she has died, it's too late to change - it's become fixed, and any attempt to change it tempts disaster due to hubris. For all his travel in time, the Doctor does live his life in a linear fashion. ComicBookGoddess ☎ 07:52, February 15, 2013 (UTC)
Uncredited cast[[edit source]]
I've moved the uncredited cast to the talk page until they can be properly sourced (no IMDB). Shambala108 ☎ 23:33, October 16, 2012 (UTC)
- Queen Maria Leszczynska - Gayle Ann Felton (uncredited)
- Clockwork Man 2 - Sean Palmer (uncredited)
- Clockwork Woman 2 - Agnieszka Blonska (uncredited)
Similar To The Ponds[[edit source]]
Isn't this story Sort of the Story of the Ponds done in one episode? Amy==Madame de Pompadour & Rory==the King. Clockwork robots==crack in the wall. Both Madame & Amy living a full life, just missing the doctor.
Do this sort of info belong in the wiki? -svenh
- I don't see it at all. The Doctor was not romantically interested in Amy. It actually kind of horrified him when she kissed him because he still thought of her as a child. He only had two brief moments with Reinette when she was a girl and he seemed to view her more as an adult woman. Badwolff ☎ 20:37, May 28, 2013 (UTC)
Portals on a spaceship just don't make sense[[edit source]]
Why didn't the clockbots just open a portal and buy (or steal) the parts they needed? Possible answer: they were required to open the portal and get the only thing they really needed (Madame De Pompadour's brain). And then why would a spaceship that can generate portals to anywhere ever need to physically move? It would be far easier to always use this tecnology, wouldn't it?! 109.52.152.206talk to me 13:30, April 2, 2014 (UTC)
- This kind of discussion is better suited for Howling:The Howling. Discussion pages are only for discussing the editing of articles. Any discussions of theories or speculation can only be posted to the Howling. Thanks. Shambala108 ☎ 14:02, April 2, 2014 (UTC)
- Around minute 19, The Doctor asks Repair droid 7 why they went to France to look for Jeanne-Antoinette Poisson, instead of going the repair yard. The droid answers that one more part is required, and that "they are the same." This suggests the droid confuses the ship's name with the actual person.
- The Doctor says that they (the droids) did well in hitting the right century considering the damage to the circuits. After the droids hit the 18th century, it was trial and error. Time windows were not perfect limiting their uses.
