Talk:Jack Harkness

the great Face of Boe debate

Face of Boe

Why does the Face of Boe have to be a redirect here? He maybe Jack according to Last of the Time Lords, but still I think the face still deserves his own article. The evil dudeKorak 14:33, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps the Face of Boe article should be reverted back, it's more or less like the Doctor, the Face of Boe is Jack's "future incarnation" with his own personality and identity (and adventures) separate from Jack Harkness. --Tangerineduel 15:46, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Pregnancy: surely the mention of being pregnant in some way relates to Boe's pregnancy in The Long Game?

It is theoretically possible, though the suggestion is that Jack has been pregnant in his past, but Boe (Jack's future self) has/will be pregnant as his 'Boe self' (rather than Jack himself). --Tangerineduel 13:07, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Hmm...

I'm pretty sure it hasn't been explicitly stated that Jack is the same Face of Boe, as the one that the Doctor meets on New Earth, so this should be written into the article as being speculation at best. Russell T Davies has said it is only "theory" anyways, so we shouldn't take it as being fact. — beeurd ^talk 20:53, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

jack IS boe

i know there have been other discussions about this but i now have proof that jack IS boe (i think) boe dies in the year 5 billion and 53 (or some time near that) BUT he knows about yana who exists in the year something TRILLION, a bit more than a billion, so how else could boe know about yana unless he is actually jack and also i think its very unlikely the doctorwho writers will throw in a wild gosse chase about a charecter we are probably never going to see again81.108.233.59 18:03, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

• I'm sorry, but that is still speculation, not proof. Face of Boe could have known about Yana because Yana said that he was found as a child on the coast of the Silver Devastation, which is the area previously identified as where the Face of Boe comes from. — beeurd ^talk 23:22, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

but boe still died in 5billion and 23 and i think yana wouldnt live from 5billion and 23 to about the year 10trillion without dying of old age (remember he did make himself human) and even if he did how would the face of boe know that he was a timelord81.108.233.59 08:10, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

There is the possibility that the Face of Boe was either A) Guessing in a generalised sense that 'Your are not alone' was in fact just that, and it was just a coincidence that it spelled YANA. B) That the Face of Boe was a psychic (which is possible and there have been psychics previous in stores), and was genuinely able to foretell the future. This option is less unlikely than it might seem, the Face of Boe is already telepathic, and as a Face/head he doesn't have much else to master body wise, so mental abilities could be one of the abilities of Boekind.

But also, there isn't a direct chain of events that lead between Jack and Boe, there is only supposition that leads to the assumption that Boe and Jack, it's enough to suggest the possibility but not enough to say for certain that they are the same person. A name isn't proof, so for now (until more information comes to light that is). --Tangerineduel 10:34, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Exlicit Face of Boe stuff

The following statement, rather than showing the possibility that Jack is the Face of Boe, actually assumes it. I put it here to make it easier for someone to reword and fix if they can figure out how..

He could also project messages onto the Doctor's psychic paper after he became the Face of Boe. (DW: New Earth)

Commodore Sixty-Four^(talk) 05:24, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Simularities

Jack shares many Phyiscal simularities and previous occupations with a Character from Knights of the Old Republic 2, (Video game) Atton "Jaq" Rand. But that's only my personal opinion.

Character History Continuity Error?

When Jack first appears in Doctor Who, he is named "Jack Harkness." But later in Torchwood, we find that his real name is James Harper and he picked up the name "Jack Harkness" during WWII. A Captain named "Jack Harkness" went out on a mission, was killed, and James (our Jack) assumed his identity.

But then, how did he come by the name "Jack Harkness" in Doctor Who? Jack, after he was finished with the Doctor and Rose, was left back in early Earth and had to live through its history to get to the present. Thus, he would have assumed the identity of "Jack Harkness" after he met the Doctor and Rose.

Now, it is true that Jack meets the Doctor and Rose during WWII but at that point in his timeline, he's still got his hypertech and isn't trying to blend in on Earth. He's merely using that point in time because he happens to know that on Date X, Time Y, a bomb will fall on location Z. He isn't interacting with any locals and has no need to assume anybody's identity.

So where did James really acquire the name of "Jack"? -- Rrhain

I don't see why he doesn't have enough time to pick up the identity before The Empty Child. I mean, his boyfriend would have gotten a bit suspicious if he had arrived suddenly with no identification and no reason to be there.

Of course, my memory is still a bit fuzzy about that episode. It's been a while. -<Azes13 12:39, 4 December 2007 (UTC)>-

I'm pretty sure he was interacting with the locals at the beginning of the episode, around the time that he spotted Rose. ~ Ghelæ -talk-contribs 15:50, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

But why would he have had any need to assume the identity of Jack Harkness? He certainly wasn't going to be sticking around. He was there to con some money out of the suckers in the time machine. He planted a lure at the site of a future bomb drop, was going to get his money, and run. Why would he have gone to the trouble of finding someone who died, altering the records so that it looked like he survived, and taken over his life? -- Rrhain

Possibly so that he doesn't get in trouble with the army at the time. I seem to remember that the ship landed in a restricted area (or maybe it became restricted because the ship landed there, I don't remember). Jack would need an excuse for waiting around for other time travellers, or else he'd probably be arrested for trespassing. -<Azes13 19:47, 4 December 2007 (UTC)>-

But he isn't staying on earth. He's staying in his ship. He wasn't even really on Earth until he noticed a time traveller (the TARDIS) and set up the decoy of the ambulance capsule. After all, they've only got two hours to do the deal before the bomb lands on it. He also uses Pompeii for these cons. -- Rrhain

(outdent) You sure that's his real name? Cuz it isn't in the article, and I've never heard of it (I am in the US, though.) From what I read in the artilce, I thought Captain James was a separate character. -- Commodore Sixty-Four^(talk) 05:09, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Captain James Harper was just the name he made up so he wouldn't have to say Captain Jack Harkness. AnimeNoKyouran 01:40, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

His childhood

What we know of his childhood comes from Adam. Do we know that the memories Adam gave Jack were authentic? Jccalhoun 01:10, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

not really, but by the season finale, though, I strongly suspect we will know one way or another. --66.31.44.71 02:24, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

certain sections need trimming

specifically the section dealing with Doctor Who Series 2 and Torchwood season 2 needs trimming. far too much extra detail. (I did such an edit just now and then the computer hiccuped, losing the edit.) --24.61.13.0 03:10, 2 May 2008 (UTC)