Talk:Clara Oswald

Lis Sladen Tribute?

Is there a source for Clara being named after Lis? Has Moffat or anyone in the cast/crew said so in an interview recently? I know a lot of people were speculating it after her name was leaked, but I haven't heard any confirmation about it. 75.141.226.87^{talk to me} 05:37, December 26, 2012 (UTC)

Speculation: Clara and Oswin

At this point it's only speculation that Clara Oswin Oswald and Oswin Oswald are the same person. In a show where we have gangers, meta-crises, identical relatives, etc, Clara and Oswin being the same person is one possibility. I think there should be a separate page for Clara Oswin Oswald until and unless it's proven that Clara and Oswin are the same person and not, for example, twins or triplets or gangers or what have you. 75.141.226.87^{talk to me} 18:49, December 25, 2012 (UTC) It is clearly stated in the episode "The snowmen" that her name is Clara Oswin Oswald and she is the woman who has died twice.

That's The Doctor's theory, not a fact. He's been incorrect in his theories and assumptions plenty of times before. 75.141.226.87^{talk to me} 20:07, December 25, 2012 (UTC)

Agreed with above, they are the same person and should be treated as one person until proven otherwise.

Clearly they are closely related - the souffles, the same dialogue. Until we know how the three are related, I think it better to have one page for them all. -- Beardouk ☎ 06:28, December 26, 2012 (UTC)

Human or Dalek?

Which species should be entered into the info box? Although she is a Dalek during the course of the episode, she was not only originally human, but this is how she describes herself, even AFTER the Doctor reveals the truth to her.Geek Mythology ☎ 22:23, September 1, 2012 (UTC)

Whenever you have a character who "converts" to another species, the infobox species variable should be set to the original species.
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍   23:17: Sat 01 Sep 2012

Behind the scenes?

Should there be a behind the scenes section referencing the fact Coleman is playing the new companion and that the episode was designed to spark debate over whether Oswin Oswald is that new companion? Of course once the Christmas special airs this article will undoubtedly be updated, but it's a long time till then. 70.72.211.35^{talk to me} 16:28, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, since it hasn't happened yet, any mention of the next companion is against the spoiler policy, so no, not yet. Shambala108 ☎ 16:38, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

Jenna was featured in the televised preview clip for the 2012 Christmas Special which aired after The Angels Take Manhattan, so is her reappearance still considered a spoiler?Mewiet ☎ 20:25, October 14, 2012 (UTC)

Yes. -- Tybort (talk page) 20:27, October 14, 2012 (UTC)

I think Oswin and Clara are the same,any one who disagrees deserves to be exterminated

Alice Montague

It was the maid whose name was Alice; I don't recall Clara's first name being mentioned when she was in Governess mode. 81.111.14.92^{talk to me} 11:05, December 26, 2012 (UTC)

Why a single article?

Did I miss a discussion? Exactly why are we covering Oswin and Clara on the same article? User:Digifiend moved the page on 26 December Move log for Oswin Oswald here. Stating:

"Clara and Oswin are the same person.... but how that's possible I cannot explain, as she's now died twice.)"

Given that even he states that he can't explain I think that the pages should be separate until we have further information. Currently the article contains fairly vague statements like "seemingly in another life" for example. --Tangerineduel / talk 15:02, December 26, 2012 (UTC)

I agree. It won't be that difficult to combine them later if necessary. After all, we just did that with the Master page and it was much bigger :) Shambala108 ☎ 15:32, December 26, 2012 (UTC)

Chronological

Just wondering why the page is set out separating the two different Claras by episode appearance, surely they should be chronological, in which case it would be Victiorain Clara before space age Oswin?? Geek Mythology ☎ 18:09, December 26, 2012 (UTC)

Lots of speculation running around here. The most interesting one is if Clara Oswin Oswald and Oswin Oswald are the same being or not. And just to make the debate even more delightful, just who was that doppleganger in the graveyard at the end of "The Snowmen"? I think they all are, and here's my take.

Dalek Oswin had hacked into the Dalek systems. The Daleks are capable of "temporal displacement." My speculative thought is that the doomed Oswin (who considers herself to still be human) accessed that capability to transport herself out of the now shieldless Asylum but things didn't quite go as planned. While I think she managed to undo her conversion, I think she also inadvertently scattered multiple copies of herself throughout time. That would make all of them the same person and making a single page very appropriate. It also gives the Doctor an interesting puzzle to solve. 24.127.246.99^{talk to me} 18:51, December 26, 2012 (UTC)

Here at TARDIS we do not allow speculation. OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 19:22, December 26, 2012 (UTC)

I'm not disagreeing with your take, and I agree there should be one page for multiple Claras, just as there is one page for Timelord's with multiple incarnations, that doesn't really answer my question.

Until we hear otherwise we should assume the various Clara's are in sync with the normal universe, and so should be documented in chronological order:

• Victiorian (Clara),
• Modern (Cemetary), then
• Future (Dalek)

Geek Mythology ☎ 19:00, December 26, 2012 (UTC)

Chronological order doesn't necessarily work in a show about time travel. If it did, we'd have to talk about 1960s Melody Pond before infant Melody Pond. In this case, narrative order works best (earlier episodes first), since it's the order that Moffat intended the viewer to experience the character. -- 24.231.182.206^{talk to me} 04:11, December 27, 2012 (UTC)

Species

It seems to me, since she has three different lives, that Clara is a Time Lady who survived the Time War. --BNSF1995, Alive since 1995 04:25, December 27, 2012 (UTC)