Talk:Penelope Gate

Givin' a red card to this page

What in the world is going on with this page? How have we conflated every reference to "the Doctor's mother" to Penelope Gale? We're making all sorts of assertions that cannot be supported just because there's a redirect from "the Doctor's mother" to Penelope Gale. There's no way that Eoin Colfer is making a reference to Penelope Gale in A Big Hand for the Doctor. This information is getting conflated simply because OttselSpy25 created a redirect to this page. There is, I would submit, a difference between Penelope Gale and the general concept of "the Doctor's mother".
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍  03:27: Sun 27 Jan 2013

Well, to be fair, Penelope Gate is the only character who has been specifically identified in-universe as being the Doctor's mother. It's the same with Ulysses as being the Doctor's father. So even if Colfer didn't intend to refer to Penelope when he wrote the e-book, I see no problem with the information from A Big Hand for the Doctor being added to this page. I can see how their would be a problem with adding information about The Woman, given that there was no in-universe confirmation of her identity. Slughorn42 ☎ 03:40, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

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But, as it were, Penelope Gate is, "The Doctor's Mother". She is the only person in the DWU ever called that, other than The Woman, thus any reference to "The Doctor's Mother" is referencing towards the idea of "The Doctor's Mother", a concept currently only held by Penelope Gate. Basically, Penelope Grant is the only identity of "The Doctor's Mother" we've ever known, other than the odd sewing machine, and so any reference to "The Doctor's Mother" must be "Penelope Gate".

I could see someone wanting to split up if there were multiple identities to the Doctor's mother, but there aren't. There has only ever been one identity to her. And that's Penelope. It's like if Scared Man got his own spin-off and got the name "John Jenkins". John Jenkins and Scared Man aren't then separate entities, they're both the same person. "The Doctor's Mother" got a name in a spinn-off book and it was "Penelope Grate", and there's no reason to make separate pages for "The Doctor's Mother" and "Penelope Grate". OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 03:46, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

I've been reading the Gallifrey Chronicles again and I've just found this flashback segment which should cement the fact that Penelope is the Doctor's mother:

"High above the Capitol was the Edifice. Inside the Edifice was a control chamber, and inside the control chamber was the Doctor. He was face to face with the leader of Faction Paradox. The Doctor hadn’t been able to sleep the night he’d first heard his name. He’d been a very small child. He couldn’t remember how old he was, but he remembered his mother’s long red hair and her cut-glass voice. She was sitting at the side of his bed, reading from a storybook."

-Page 113

Now you'll note that when Penelope appears later in the novel, she is given the exact same description as this one here. --Revan\Talk 15:42, February 8, 2013 (UTC)

So... This discussion is going no where, anyone have anything else to say? OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 23:08, February 8, 2013 (UTC)

This discussion is going somewhere, but slowly. It's not even been opened for a month, so people will have something else to say. MM/Want to talk? 01:34, February 9, 2013 (UTC)