Howling:What's the connection between the Big Bads?

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So, in Series 6 (Doctor Who), it was The Silence going to great lengths (maybe even causing the TARDIS to explode in Series 5 (Doctor Who) ) to prevent The Doctor from being "on the fields of Trenzalore at the fall of The Eleventh". Nevermind that it didn't look like there were any fields there, in The Name of the Doctor (TV story), Steven Moffat put together some kind of alliance between The Great Intelligence and The Whispermen...I suppose that snowmen were no longer available on a planet that looks volcanic? I'm guessing that that The Whispermen have nothing against The Doctor and are just agents of the Great Intelligence like The Silence had creatures/people working on its behalf.

So what is the connection between the Great Intelligence and the Silence? Moffat could have picked any location for The Name of the Doctor but he chose Trenzalor so there must be some link. However, The GI and The Silence seem to have two different agendas....The Silence need to prevent their own "fall" and The GI is seeking (for unknown reasons) to "undo" the good deeds that The Doctor had done over his lifetime.

All along, I assumed that Moffat would bring The Doctor to Trenzalor when Matt Smith wanted to leave and it was time for a regeneration and a new Doctor (hence, "the fall of the Eleventh"). But, no, he brought him there way before this.

So do any of you clever people see any connection between The GI, The Whispermen and The Silence and the pivotal role of Trenzalore in the missions of both groups? [Unsigned but appears to be Badwolff 20:14, May 19, 2013 (UTC)]

We do seem to have disparate groups of adversaries whose actions are connected, even though there's no apparent connection between the groups themselves. That rather suggests there's something or someone behind all of them -- very possibly something or someone those groups don't themselves know about.

The Whisper Men: I'm not sure they "have nothing against The Doctor and are just agents of the Great Intelligence". They look & sound very like the Trickster. He's only ever appeared in The Sarah Jane Adventures but he's been mentioned in both the main show & Torchwood. In Turn Left, members of the Trickster's Brigade tried to use Donna to create a world in which the Doctor died defeating the Racnoss. One of the Trickster's aims (in a few SJA stories) was to remove the Doctor from history. The Great Intelligence has been very fond of using people as tools & it'd be fittingly ironic if, in the end, it was being used as a tool by someone else. The close similarity in appearance, sound & aims between the Whisper Men & the Trickster is a bit suspicious, to say the least. It might just be coincidence, of course.

Unfortunately for anyone trying to work out what's going on, that close similarity might also be a red herring. Even if there's a "Bigger Bad" that we still don't know about, it might have nowt to do with the Trickster.

To answer the main question: No I can't see the connection between the GI, the Whisper Men & the Silence, other than "the pivotal role of Trenzalore" (& we now know why Trenzalore is pivotal), but there's more than enough to suggest that there is a connection, albeit one that's still hidden. --89.241.65.242^{talk to me} 02:33, May 20, 2013 (UTC)

At first glance it seems that the Silence preferred the Doctor die at their hands to prevent him from being undone and the universe destroyed. However, I think it's more likely that the events of Trenzalore mean that 'John Hurt' Doctor has a real chance of existing now. The Silence failed to keep The Doctor's greatest secret: whatever that future Doctor betrays his own promise and will do.

It'd have to be something pretty momentous, so mind-bogglingly huge that it's rippled back through time and The Doctor knows it's been coming for a long time. Alternatively it's something he's already had the misfortune of witnessing a future version himself do, and due to some weird time-effect the consequences of his future self's action can't come until effect until he actually does them.

Maybe he's searching the universe for a way to escape his fate. Psicraft ☎ 05:16, May 20, 2013 (UTC)