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::::::: Plus, as 89 said in his previous response, the Doctor could have worked backward and come to a conclusion about when she was switched. He says that she was taken "before America" (that is, "The Impossible Astronaut"), meaning that she was taken before the orphanage scene, which is perfectly in accordance with her seeing a Kovarian hatch there. And the Doctor's knowledge of when the switch occurred doesn't require any omniscience; just deduction. If we accept his statement as being accurate, then it means that she would have already been Flesh when she went to the diner after seeing the older Doctor get shot at Lake Silencio (I think even Confidential mentioned something about her being Flesh for the entire first half of Series 6, so even if it's not what one chooses to believe, it was still the writers' intention), and the Doctor could have noticed that she was acting strangely or that something was off about her then. We know that in "The Impossible Astronaut", Amy and Rory last saw the Doctor two months ago from their point of view. That's plenty of time for Amy to have been taken by the Silence. The Doctor, after learning that she was a Flesh duplicate, would just have to think back to when he first noticed that something was off and to the most recent gap of time that occurred between "normal Amy" and "something's off" Amy. A two-month gap between dropping them off after their honeymoon and then "huh, that's weird; why is she not all Amy-wamy?" would then be the logical conclusion. [[User:Ensephylon|Ensephylon]] [[User talk:Ensephylon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:30, June 20, 2013 (UTC) | ::::::: Plus, as 89 said in his previous response, the Doctor could have worked backward and come to a conclusion about when she was switched. He says that she was taken "before America" (that is, "The Impossible Astronaut"), meaning that she was taken before the orphanage scene, which is perfectly in accordance with her seeing a Kovarian hatch there. And the Doctor's knowledge of when the switch occurred doesn't require any omniscience; just deduction. If we accept his statement as being accurate, then it means that she would have already been Flesh when she went to the diner after seeing the older Doctor get shot at Lake Silencio (I think even Confidential mentioned something about her being Flesh for the entire first half of Series 6, so even if it's not what one chooses to believe, it was still the writers' intention), and the Doctor could have noticed that she was acting strangely or that something was off about her then. We know that in "The Impossible Astronaut", Amy and Rory last saw the Doctor two months ago from their point of view. That's plenty of time for Amy to have been taken by the Silence. The Doctor, after learning that she was a Flesh duplicate, would just have to think back to when he first noticed that something was off and to the most recent gap of time that occurred between "normal Amy" and "something's off" Amy. A two-month gap between dropping them off after their honeymoon and then "huh, that's weird; why is she not all Amy-wamy?" would then be the logical conclusion. [[User:Ensephylon|Ensephylon]] [[User talk:Ensephylon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:30, June 20, 2013 (UTC) | ||
::::::: It's not clear exactly when the Doctor came to the specific conclusion that Amy had been replaced by a Flesh duplicate, rather than by some other kind of copy. We know he'd reached that conclusion before ''[[The Rebel Flesh (TV story)|The Rebel Flesh]]'', because he went to St John's Monastery in the 22nd century in order to find out how to do what he'd already decided to do -- cut off the control signal linking the copy to the real Amy. The fact that (as he said) he went there to gather that information means that, by then, he not only knew about the substitution but also was confident that breaking the link wouldn't put Amy in greater danger. | |||
::::::: It's worth remembering that we're relying on the Doctor's deduction that the switch was made "before America" & we don't actually '''know''' it was. On the available evidence, there is a slight possibility that it happened a bit later. We ought not to go beyond the evidence. We can say 1. that it '''must''' have been before Amy "saw" Kovarian in the orphanage, 2. that the Doctor concluded it was before Amy went to America at all & 3. that we've no solid reason to think the Doctor was wrong. We cannot say that he definitely was right -- only that he very probably was right & we've no real evidence to the contrary. | |||
::::::: Basically, DCT seems to be arguing that the Doctor definitely was wrong. The evidence won't support that. It won't support anything beyond a slight possibility that the Doctor might have been wrong. It also makes no discernible difference. We now know why Amy was kidnapped -- to let the Silence work on Melody. We now know why Amy was replaced by a Flesh duplicate -- to keep the Doctor from realising that she '''had''' been kidnapped, until it was too late for him to prevent what the Silence were doing to Melody. We now know what the outcome was: River & the various failed attempts to kill the Doctor. A later switch would make no difference whatever to any of that. DCT's making a doubly futile effort: it's not possible on the evidence &, even if it were, it would change '''nothing'''. --[[Special:Contributions/89.241.70.163|89.241.70.163]]<sup>[[User talk:89.241.70.163#top|talk to me]]</sup> 00:35, June 21, 2013 (UTC) | |||