Talk:The Moment

The Moment and the Key

Right, so, we have two accounts of methods the Doctor used to end the last Great Time War. But isn't it, I don't know, a bit of a jump to speculate that they're one in the same? For one, the concept of the Super De-mat Gun comes from the comic, which is not necessarily on the same level of canon as the television show. For another, why would the Gun be called a "moment" by anyone? It seems more logical to me that either these are conflicting views on how the Time War; or, if they're both canon, that they were used in conjunction somehow. My own pet theory is that the Doctor once again assembled the Key to Time - something in the Doctor's possession that someone might very well refer to as a Moment - and used that, well, moment when all of time stopped to use the De-mat Gun and lock Gallifrey, and the hosts surrounding it, out of time and space. But there's not sufficient evidence in-universe for me to try promoting that theory. Still, I have to wonder if it's really best if the De-mat gun should even be mentioned on the article for The Moment.

I will make no changes, merely ask for thoughts. Should this page be left alone, or changed? Lostdrewid 00:18, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

You're asking me? I only let it be on there 'cause I don't know what's considered canon here. If it's only what's said in the official series, then fine, I'll take it off.--Reikson 00:52, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Is it every specifically stated anywhere that 'The Moment' is a device or object? Couldn't it be possible that the councillor merely means The Doctor has the upper hand, or the chance to make a decisive action. Admittedly, 'using' The Moment does suggest it is an object/entity of some sort, but is it explicitly stated somehwere?

Did you even see that scene? The Partisan said that The Doctor would "...use it to destroy Daleks and Time Lords alike..." --Reikson 17:29, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for adding intents to others' comments but it's going to be very hard to read soon if each reply isn't clear [especially since someone forgot to sign his comment :p]. Anyway, even that quote does not mean that the Moment is a device or object. He'll use it, the Moment, to destroy them all. Well right now I'm using a few moments strung together to make a reply. Semantically, that sentence tells us nothing. It seems logical that the Doctor has some sort of device - and logical to me that it isn't just the De-mat Gun, which is why I brought up this conversation in the first place - which either is, or causes the Moment. Otherwise the concept of the Moment would be rather meaningless; last I checked, the Doctor doesn't have any such innate magical power. Saying he has the Moment can mean either that the Moment is a device, or the Moment is caused by a device he has. Both make sense in the English language, and either could be true when you know the writers deliberately obfuscate. There's really very little we can say with any certainty.

Incidentally, I'd like to say thanks to whomever changed "is likely" to "might be" on the article, that seems sufficient enough a change that my initial objections can be put to rest until we know more one way or another. Lostdrewid 17:40, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

I removed the line "Potentially, given the device's name, "the Moment" may have also been the device which created the time lock that sealed the war off from the time vortex." since dialogue in The End of Time suggests that Gallifrey had already been time-locked, but the Moment had not yet been used.

==The Moment==

Sorry, i am new at this. However i agree with the discussion above, or at least i choose to believe that it was not the gun that caused "the Moment". My belief is based off of Utopia (3.12?) and the last episodes of season three. in utopia the doctor explains that if a time lord opened theirself to the time vortex they would be like gods. later in 3.13 (i think, maybe 14...) the master and the doctor are talking about the war and the master said "you must have felt like a god"... so thats why, i believe, that the moment was cased by the doctor opening him self into the time vortex and destroying both parties with it. maybe thats why/how he also knew he could save rose when she did the same. just what i choose to believe. 71.95.130.76 04:22, October 27, 2010 (UTC) Cipher.

Don't Step on the Grass confirms that the modified Demat Gun from the Forgotten becomes the Moment. --Revan\Talk 16:22, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

The Night of the Doctor

Considering that in Night of the Doctor, the 8th Doctor becomes the War Doctor before the end of the war, how relevant is this information about the 8th Doctor using the moment to end it? (When he is clearly regenerated before he'd be able to do so?) {{SUBST:Template:MattShadow}} 20:43, November 14, 2013 (UTC)

The Moment was more frequently mentioned to through the comic story, which isn't really on the same level of cannon as the TV series. The comic stories that we are discussing here, were made way before The Night of the Doctor (TV story), and this was at a time where no one knew how the Eighth Doctor regenerated or his cause. Breathe-0ut ☎ 13:51, November 23, 2013 (UTC)

On this wiki, the comic story is considered equally as valid as any television story. It's true that Moffat can ignore whatever non-TV stories he wants, but this wiki does not follow that policy. This info would have to be rewritten as "one account stated that..." Shambala108 ☎ 14:06, November 23, 2013 (UTC)