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[[User:Thefartydoctor|<font color="blue">The</font><font color="silver">Farty</font><font color="red">Doctor</font>]] [[User talk:Thefartydoctor|<small><sup><font color="green">Talk</font></sup></small>]] 04:51, January 3, 2014 (UTC) | [[User:Thefartydoctor|<font color="blue">The</font><font color="silver">Farty</font><font color="red">Doctor</font>]] [[User talk:Thefartydoctor|<small><sup><font color="green">Talk</font></sup></small>]] 04:51, January 3, 2014 (UTC) | ||
=== Did Chibnall know? === | === Did Chibnall know? === | ||
It's come to my attention that Chris Chibnall claims he was unaware that a daughter of the Brigadier's named Kate had already appeared in the spin-off media when he wrote ''The Power of Three''. He says he only learned about it when he was interviewed for Doctor Who Magazine. I for one find it difficult to believe that two writers could independently create a daughter of the Brigadier named Kate. When creating a child of the Brig's, you have two genders to choose from so it's not that far-fetched you'd come up with a daughter instead of a son. But of all the hundreds if not thousands of names you could use, you just happen to pick Kate? I'm not saying he's lying but I think he may have heard about her at some point in the past and then half-remembered the character when he wrote the script. Is that possible? [[User:Slughorn42|Slughorn42]] [[User talk:Slughorn42|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:04, August 31, 2014 (UTC) | It's come to my attention that Chris Chibnall claims he was unaware that a daughter of the Brigadier's named Kate had already appeared in the spin-off media when he wrote ''The Power of Three''. He says he only learned about it when he was interviewed for Doctor Who Magazine. I for one find it difficult to believe that two writers could independently create a daughter of the Brigadier named Kate. When creating a child of the Brig's, you have two genders to choose from so it's not that far-fetched you'd come up with a daughter instead of a son. But of all the hundreds if not thousands of names you could use, you just happen to pick Kate? I'm not saying he's lying but I think he may have heard about her at some point in the past and then half-remembered the character when he wrote the script. Is that possible? [[User:Slughorn42|Slughorn42]] [[User talk:Slughorn42|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:04, August 31, 2014 (UTC) | ||
:It's fairly obvious that Kate's name isn't a coincidence. So either Chibnall half-remembered the character, or he's outright lying. [[User:Bwburke94|Bwburke94]] ~ [[Message Wall:Bwburke94|Creator of All Things Brilliant!]] ~ 02:33, November 10, 2014 (UTC) | |||
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Age during The Silurians
When I encountered it, article had this statement:
- Kate was five at the time of the Wenley Moor Silurian incident. (PROSE: Doctor Who and the Cave-Monsters)
Well, I've searched the book seven ways from Sunday, and all of the following search terms have failed:
- Kate
- Katherine
- Katarina
- daughter
- Fiona
- "five years"
- "5 years"
- "age of five"
- kid
- child
None of them turn up a hint of anything to do with a daughter of the Brig. Thus, I've removed this sentence because the citation is clearly wrong. If anyone knows where the statement actually comes from, they're free to reinsert it, along with the proper citation.
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍ 00:40: Sun 23 Sep 2012
I think it might be from The Scales of Injustice. Doug86 ☎ 00:43, September 23, 2012 (UTC)
'Kate was the daughter',,, isn't that supposed to be 'is the daughter'. She hasn't died yet has she?
- We write everything in past tense here. 170.185.224.19talk to me 13:34, September 24, 2012 (UTC)
Doris the step mother
The lead asserted that Doris Lethbridge-Stewart was Kate's step-mother. That's pure speculation, since new spouses of non-custodial natural parents are not automatically considered step-parents. There's no way in hell my mother would consider her father's wife her "step-mother" in any sense, and I certainly don't think of her as my "step-grandmother". "Step-parent" is not a legal title that simply passes automatically upon a marriage certificate. Step parents have no legally-enforceable parental responsibilities until and unless they actually adopt the child, at which point they are no longer step-parents.
You have to essentially earn the title "step-mother", so we would need to have narrative evidence that there was some sort of positive relationship between Kate and Doris. We've got good evidence from Scales of Injustice that Fiona was her natural and custodial mother. As far as I'm aware, there isn't any evidence in any story that Kate had any sort of interaction with Doris.
Due to the lack of a valid source, Doris therefore cannot stay in the main body of the article, much less the lead.
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍ 16:42: Sat 26 Jan 2013
- I'm unable to find a dictionary that defines "stepmother" as narrowly as you do. Oxford defines it simply as "a woman who is married to one’s father after the divorce of one’s parents or the death of one’s mother." Can you cite a source for your definition? -- Rowan Earthwood ☎ 16:57, January 26, 2013 (UTC)
- I agree with Rowan. I've never heard of a step-parent not being an automatic title. Ever. Adopted parent is not automatic, as it has to be done legally, while a step-parent is automatic: someone who is currently married to a legal parent. I know legalities can differ between the US and the UK, but I'm suspect of whether they truly differ so much as to not be automatic. Restricting it to being a "positive" and "earned" definition sounds more like a personal/moral definition (essentially an opinion), not a legal one. Looking at the Cambridge.org online definition of stepmother, it states, "[T]he woman who is married to someone's father but who is not their real mother[.]" I would also like a cited source to the contrary. Mewiet ☎ 04:44, April 13, 2013 (UTC)
She *isn't* Osgood's mother!
It's worth debunking the claims already spreading across the internet that Kate is Osgood's mother. She's not - Osgood does not address Kate as 'Mum' in "Day of the Doctor", but as 'Ma'am', which is sometimes pronounced as 'Mum' (e.g. when speaking to the Queen). Later in the episode Osgood addresses Kate as "Kate".86.178.204.38talk to me 09:32, November 24, 2013 (UTC)
Placing of The Power of Three
Just a note to remind you guys that we write characters' articles in a chronological fashion. Tell me I'm wrong but the events of the Power of Three take place after 2013 (between 2016-17), placing this story, in the grand scheme of Earth bound things, after the Day of the Doctor. Therefore, when we write her life down on this article, surely we write the Day of the Doctor before the Power of Three?
To see more about this, check references 271 and 272 on this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_of_the_Doctor_Who_universe#cite_note-298 TheFartyDoctor Talk 04:51, January 3, 2014 (UTC)
Did Chibnall know?
It's come to my attention that Chris Chibnall claims he was unaware that a daughter of the Brigadier's named Kate had already appeared in the spin-off media when he wrote The Power of Three. He says he only learned about it when he was interviewed for Doctor Who Magazine. I for one find it difficult to believe that two writers could independently create a daughter of the Brigadier named Kate. When creating a child of the Brig's, you have two genders to choose from so it's not that far-fetched you'd come up with a daughter instead of a son. But of all the hundreds if not thousands of names you could use, you just happen to pick Kate? I'm not saying he's lying but I think he may have heard about her at some point in the past and then half-remembered the character when he wrote the script. Is that possible? Slughorn42 ☎ 17:04, August 31, 2014 (UTC)
- It's fairly obvious that Kate's name isn't a coincidence. So either Chibnall half-remembered the character, or he's outright lying. Bwburke94 ~ Creator of All Things Brilliant! ~ 02:33, November 10, 2014 (UTC)
