Talk:Hell Bent (TV story)

Question

Someone better versed into Doctor Who History might want to verify this, but is it the first time the Doctor kills someone with a weapon? I don't recall either 9, 10, 11 of War Doctor ever do this...TzarBorisII ☎ 03:30, December 6, 2015 (UTC)

Well, considering that there are eight other Doctors, plus when you take comics, audio, and prose into account, there have probably been several instances. It also depends on how you define weapons. As one of many examples, the Second Doctor plants the Dominators' bomb-like device on their ship and it explodes, killing them. Shambala108 ☎ 03:38, December 6, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. But still, it was strange to see the Doctor actually shoot someone with a gun. TzarBorisII ☎ 05:58, December 6, 2015 (UTC)

On screen, but remember he was the War Doctor. So this is not necessarily unusual. He also points out that he saw this more as disabling than killing. Had the Time Lord indicated he was on his final life, the Doctor might not have fired. 68.146.52.234^{talk to me} 16:39, December 6, 2015 (UTC)

If you want an example of him gunning folk down, there's Attack of the Cybermen.--Skittles the hog - talk 13:05, December 6, 2015 (UTC)

And just to be 'that guy', he didn't actually kill him as he asked the general about his regeneration number, and got the answer "tenth". He knew the general would regenerate. He probably wouldn't have done it if he was on his last incarnation. --DCLM ☎ 16:45, December 6, 2015 (UTC)

Didn't the Fourth Doctor snap someone's neck? Also the Third? The Invasion Has Begun ☎ 23:40, December 6, 2015 (UTC)

In The Two Doctors the Sixth Doctor kills someone by placing a chloroform soaked hankerchief to his face. I found that disturbing. Still, it was the Sixth. Put it in the context of the Doctor's wanting to save Clara, even at the risk of the entire universe. He went too far, as he acknowledged. --Exterminateallhumans ☎ 01:52, December 14, 2015 (UTC)

Time and space query

I have a few comprehension questions: Did the 4.5 billion years just passed inside the confession dial? Because otherwise it's difficult to align this timeline with Gallifreys position in time. Or is Gallifrey time frozen at the End of the Universe? Or is "end of the universe" in this case to be understood spatial rather than chronological? How did it get there? I think the last question wasn`t answered in the episode. --Neshen ☎ 13:01, December 6, 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure that they are at the end of the universe if it is only 4.5 billion years as the end of the universe is the year 100 trillion as shown in Series 3's "Utopia" episode. It therefore must have only been 4.5 billion years in the dial. That or Moffat disregarded plot continuity. Snivystorm ☎ 14:04, December 6, 2015 (UTC)

If that's the case (the years only passed in the dial) this would mean we have to remove the "the far future" link in the infobox. --DCLM ☎ 16:38, December 7, 2015 (UTC)

My understanding was that the Doctor experienced 4½ billion years inside the confession dial, and then emerged onto Gallifrey which had been moved through time to the end of the Universe (didn't somebody actually mention this as a safety precaution?), so in a way the answer is "yes, both" ;-) —Phil | Talk 17:25, December 7, 2015 (UTC)

Memory Wipe

The memory wipe scene is clearly a reference to the Christmas crackers in both Time of the Doctor and Last Christmas, isn't it?– The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.175.155.152 (talk • contribs) .

Spacecraft name? and article?

I cannot find any name or reference for those amazing looking space craft the timelords sent after the Doctor, however they should defiantly be included as an article – The preceding unsigned comment was added by 31.52.44.132 (talk • contribs) .

Ashildr's nose piercing

I took the Story Note out about Ashildr's nose piercing and moved it to the article on Face the Raven because it's actually visible in that episode. 68.146.52.234^{talk to me} 16:18, December 6, 2015 (UTC)

Buckaroo Banzai

The yellow road sign outside the diner in the beginning reads "Jackson" with the motto, "No matter where you go, there you are." That's a quotation from the movie Buckaroo Banzai, a 1980's film about a doctor/rock star. As far as I know, there is no town of Jackson, Nevada; the sign further indicates that the state-wide speed limit is 55, which must be left over from the period after the Carter-era oil crisis - undivided rural roads today go from 55 to 70 in Nevada.71.231.63.232^{talk to me} 03:00, December 7, 2015 (UTC)

Barn

Why are we to assume that the barn on Gallifrey is the same one from The Day of the Doctor? Yes, the exterior settings are very much alike, but the interior is completely different. --Punkers ☎ 15:44, December 7, 2015 (UTC)

The interior could have easily been redesigned since then. Plus then ed from "Listen" is there. Is this not suited more for discontinuity sections? Snivystorm ☎ 17:13, December 7, 2015 (UTC)

It's also explicitly named as such in the shooting script. Ben Paddon ☎ 16:31, December 11, 2015 (UTC)

Top-heavy

A lot of the information in the introduction to this article would be best redistributed between the Story Notes and Continuity sections. Right now the article is exceptionally top-heavy. Ben Paddon ☎ 16:33, December 11, 2015 (UTC)

I agree. Something like: ...It was notable for the first return of Gallifrey and the Time Lords since The End of Time, the return of the sonic screwdriver, the first on-screen instance of a gender-changing regeneration and the peculiar revival of the dead Clara Oswald as a traveller in her own TARDIS. -HarveyWallbanger ☎ 16:54, December 11, 2015 (UTC)

I'd say to add it then and remove it from the introduction. You could probably move everything up to the him "reaching his limit" paragraph either into the notes and plot therefore making it concise again. Snivystorm ☎ 17:15, December 11, 2015 (UTC)