Talk:Games (poem)

Deletion

This page really isn't a part of the Doctor Who: Lockdown! series. For starters, it's a joke that RTD put on his instagram. Now, yes, it being on Instagram doesn't mean it's invalid inherently and it's a good one in my personal opinion, but the panel is also a part of the Now We Are Six Hundred poetry collection, also by Davies. It's not a new story; it's more like a meme, and if we included it, we'd have to include a lot of things that Who celebrities post on Instagram. Never Forget The Day The 456 Arrived ☎ 11:44, April 4, 2020 (UTC)

I fail to see what it being a joke or posted on social media has to do with anything — Strax Saves the Day was posted on Twitter and is every bit as parodical, yet it clearly is part of Doctor Who: Lockdown!. Both are invalid, but that doesn't mean we don't cover them.

The real salient point is in this panel being repurposed from Now We Are Six Hundred, and thus not being an original work as I (not having read Now We Are Six Hundred) had mistakenly assume. However, separated from the text and given this new title/caption, I would argue that it becomes a new, though, yes, {{invalid}}, narrative; The Message of Mystery is a good precedent for material from an earlier story being given new text and context, and becoming a new story.

In any event, even if we do decide that Breaking Isolation doesn't deserve a page in its own right, it should be merged into the page for the story in Now We Are Six Hundred that the illustration is taken from — Games… a page which, as of yet, does not exist. So really, what we should do if we decide that this doesn't count as a separate release is rework it into a page about Games, and rename it "Games (short story)" — not delete it. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 12:05, April 4, 2020 (UTC)

Oh, I don't doubt we should cover it on what you suggested or something like that. I just don't believe that it was intended for Doctor Who: Lockdown! in the first place. Strax Saves the Day was explicitly part of the event, made to coincide with the watchalong. This was just a random post RTD made on Instagram.(This isn't shade on him, btw, I love the guy) But I definitely agree that we should put it on the page you suggested. Never Forget The Day The 456 Arrived ☎ 12:38, April 4, 2020 (UTC)

I agree that this should be renamed and converted into Games (short story), assuming that images in prose stories are typically covered as part of the story. (which is the case, as far as I know) A mention in the notes or lead section of that article would be enough to cover its use in this context. Danochy ☎ 08:01, April 9, 2020 (UTC)

id like to reopen thisi as it seems to have been forgotten. but breaking isolation is the exact same situation as "saving harriet". during the watch along of the stolen earth RTD expanded on Harriet's escape from the novel Now We Are Six Hundred. the image he used alongside it was an expanded image from the book, just like here. i dont think either is enough to grant their own page - and they should jus tbe referenced on the book' page. DiSoRiEnTeD1 ☎

Each poem in Now We Are Six Hundred counts as a short story, so if anything we should cover this on the page about the poem. But I'd say the difference with Saving Harriet is that in that case, Davies was just elaborating on the same story. Here, the illustration is being repurposed to fit a different narrative of the Daleks breaking isolation during the COVID-19 lockdown, which is not at all what the image was depicting in its original setting. The Message of Mystery is a precedent for images from a precious story being reused to tell a different one, and the second story being accepted as its own thing. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 16:55, May 17, 2020 (UTC)

i do think it would be best to merge this into the page Games then. the new version of harriet's story sees her survival involving the trickster which is different from Harriet Jones, PM (short story). DiSoRiEnTeD1 ☎

ive just tried to look on rtd's instagram but can only see the caption "breaking isolation" is that all that was posted? if so it defo isnt worh a page, hes also posted similar images with only the caption "cake" too. DiSoRiEnTeD1 ☎