Talk:Faction Paradox

Members as Time Lords?

This question may be difficult, but it comes down to this do we take the stance of the Great Houses and declare that members of Faction Paradox are not of the same creed or do we take the Factions own stance and declare them members of the Great Houses as technically the Book of the War says that their members do have full homeworlder (time lord) status and their is some debate weather time lords and Galifreyans are one the same. So do we add members of Faction Paradox to the Category of Individual Time Lords or not? My personal view is that only members whilst Faction Paradox was seen as house should count (namely those before the Gradfather escaped Shada and those between the Eleven Day Empire and the Worlds from Nine Divinities, should be counted as time lord those not in those two should not. And whilst I can only name four named members during these two point I think only these four should be considered time lords, those three being Grandfather Paradox, Justine, Eliza and Shuncucker.)Anastasia Cousins ☎ 20:46, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Does TBotW say this? Inside the Grandfather's House suggests the opposite.

Many of those who sit in the Parliament are children of the Great Houses rather than members of the "lesser" species [...] many have questioned whether it counts as a true bloodline at all, although the Faction makes so many biological changes to its recruits that there is still a genuine blood-bond between members

Given the nature of Houseworlders in the FP series and their unique relationship to history, I'm not sure how you can read this as saying that members of the lesser species are out and out made into Time Lords. Obviously if there's another entry that says different I'm not remembering, that would be relevant. Najawin ☎ 21:13, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

I was going more along the fact that it gives members of the lesser species equal standing, this comes down to what is a Time Lord? For instance the Cwej (around the time of the 50th year of the War) where lobbying for Houses status. the question is are full members of a House, as some members of Faction Paradox are, time lords. I myself would argue that yes a Time Lord just means you are a full member of a House. For instance Leela was made a member of House Redloom in Lungbarrow and this wiki considers her a Time Lord K9 is alway mentioned as being a Time Lord in several sources. leela married into a House and thus gained Time Lord status, I assume a member of House Paradox would also be inducted into the House by what ever esoteric ritual the Faction use?

we must also consider Lolita who is not what one would call a Gallifreyan but she is still a Time Lord (if not by name then by the fact she is a prominent member of the Council of Houses) and in fact leads her own house. So the Question is does gaining the full rights of a member of the Great Houses make you a Time Lord? I would say yes.Anastasia Cousins ☎ 21:25, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Huh, didn't know we considered Leela one. Regardless, it comes down, imo, to what the terms mean in each source. "Time Lord" isn't a thing in FP, but the closest analogue would be "child of the Great Houses". The Cwejen might be petitioning for a political status, but that wouldn't necessarily grant them the same metaphysical status. (Or maybe it would. The work is a bit ambiguous here.) Najawin ☎ 21:35, 26 April 2023 (UTC)