Talk:The Valeyard

User:Finister2

I think, whoever plays the Twelfth Doctor will play the Valeyard during the Thirteenth Doctor's adventures.

Dream Lord

Since the Dream Lord has been compared to the Valeyard, it seems reasonable to speculate that maybe he's created as a result of the incident in Amy's Choice, but remains a subconscious part of the Doctor and doesn't manifest as an entity until sometime between the Doctor's 12th and final incarnations. Just a thought, as it would seem to fit quite nicely at both ends, as it were. Then again, I know next to nothing of the Valeyard, so I could be way off :P -- Sorceror Nobody 18:23, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

I new of the character but not alot, I suppose the Dream Lord could be the The Valeyard as to have to dark sides that are so addament on defeating you does strike me as slightly odd. Danisfunny 18:28, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

as much as I would like the Dream Lord to be the Valeyard, we have to face facts; they come from different backgrounds. The Valeyard was specifically stated to have come between the Doctor's 12th and 13th Incarnations whereas the Dream Lord is the essence of the Doctor's darker side in a dream state, so cannot exist in reality. Everyone is basically wanting it to happen as we want to see the Valeyard back for continuity, as do I, but the Dream Lord isn't The Valeyard Ooiue 07:16, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

A conundrum

I've just thought of something....if the Valeyard really is the dark side of the Doctor between 12 and 13, then why is it he went back to Trial of a Time Lord to try and put his earlier half-self on trial if he had all the memories of that event? i say half-self because he partly is the Doctor and partly isnt. If he possessed all the memories of the Doctor which is likely, why did he go to the trouble of going to Trial of a Time Lord in the first place if he knew he would lose?