Howling:Rory's death

The Howling → Rory's death

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I think this also has something to do with the entire erasing things idea. This just turns into one big plothole: if Rory is absorbed and therefore completely erased from reality, and Amy forgets him, this brings up big problems.

• How can Amy still remember the soldiers that were abosrbed by the crack?
• How did the Doctor survive actually STICKING HIS HAND IN IT when everything else is completely erased?
• How did the Doctor discover the source of Prisoner 0's power without Rory's help in TEH?

I honestly though Steve Moffat was better than this. Discuss. the twelfth doctor 11:56, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Hi !

Whilst I agree that it is odd the Doctor can stick his hand inside the crack and be 'fine', whereas Rory was absorbed - however I am sure there is an explanation. However you cannot really blame Steven Moffat for this as it isn't his script. He didn't write the episode, therefore you're blame must lie with the writer, which was Christopher Chibnall. Tommy1571 13:07, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

1) You mean the clerics? Because they were not directly involved in her life. That was explained in the episode. Basically the more involved the person in in your life the more likely you will forget them.

2) Someone kinda tried to explain this somewhere else. The person said that it wanted Rory for some reason and not the Doctor. Kind of like the crack has a mind of it's own. I'm sure that one will be explained given time.

3) Time was re-written. That's like asking why the Doctor left Amy alone in the forest. Time was re-written around the fact that Rory no longer exists so even though they didn't go back to show you how everything played out without him, to everyone besides the Doctor it all happened differently. It still happened but in a different way.

V00D00M0NKY 12:18, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Precisely. The crack has a mind of its own. There's a design behind all the changes in the timeline. This, I feel, adequately explains any apparent "plotholes". Bluebox444 12:24, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

First, #2 is easy, and I honestly don't know why everyone is so puzzled. There are three big differences between the Doctor's case and Rory's:

• It took minutes for the time energy to erase Rory--it was still going on as they were leaving. The Doctor put his hand in for a few seconds.
• Rory is a normal person who's traveled in time a couple times. The Doctor is a "tremendously complicated space-time event". We know that such a thing is much harder to erase from history. That's why he would be enough to close the crack, while River, or anything less than hundreds of Angels, wouldn't be.
• The Doctor is clearly struggling against something, making noises and Troughton faces. Rory, being dead, presumably wasn't struggling.

So, the time field was "trying" to erase the Doctor, but it didn't get a chance to.

As for #3, I think you've got a different conception of how time works than the show does. There isn't a straight-line timeline. The reason time travelers can remember things as they were before history was changed is because that timeline still exists, right alongside the new one. The Doctor remembers Rory helping him because in his past, Rory actually did help him. You can try to work out the details, or you can call it wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey, but you can't just apply the physics and common sense of a world where time travel is impossible to time travel, or it makes everything impossible. --Falcotron 12:33, May 30, 2010 (UTC)