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::: OK, so that's literally worse than my working assumption. Why is a non-fiction and from what I gather self published ''memoir'' that's mostly about watching a show and the two people's romantic relationship any kind of authority or precedent holder over what is or is not for the production of a TV show? I could say and publish on social media that ''Rose'' is the tenth story of the fifth series and is also a nine-parter, that still wouldn't will it as such. -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 23:19, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
::: OK, so that's literally worse than my working assumption. Why is a non-fiction and from what I gather self published ''memoir'' that's mostly about watching a show and the two people's romantic relationship any kind of authority or precedent holder over what is or is not for the production of a TV show? I could say and publish on social media that ''Rose'' is the tenth story of the fifth series and is also a nine-parter, that still wouldn't will it as such. -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 23:19, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
:: No, but if you published a book claiming as much and it garnered significant attention in the fandom, that would be a notable fact about the public reception to ''An Unearthly Child''. We're not arguing about tablets of law here, or an underlying objective reality. How people lump and number serials ''post hoc'' is a sociological observation about trends in fandom, critical thought, and BBC record-keeping. "Wrong" ideas that gain significant public acknowledgement are as notable as "true" (BBC-ordered) data. And certainly ''Wife in Space'' is a very significant book as far as non-BBC-authored non-fiction goes, at about the same level as ''AHistory'', ''About Time'', ''TARDIS Eruditorum'', etc. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 23:24, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
:: No, but if you published a book claiming as much and it garnered significant attention in the fandom, that would be a notable fact about the public reception to ''An Unearthly Child''. We're not arguing about tablets of law here, or an underlying objective reality. How people lump and number serials ''post hoc'' is a sociological observation about trends in fandom, critical thought, and BBC record-keeping. "Wrong" ideas that gain significant public acknowledgement are as notable as "true" (BBC-ordered) data. And certainly ''Wife in Space'' is a very significant book as far as non-BBC-authored non-fiction goes, at about the same level as ''AHistory'', ''About Time'', ''TARDIS Eruditorum'', etc. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 23:24, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
::: Wrong ideas are by their very essence false and fallacious. Kate Bush still did not write ''Kinda'' even though it's jokingly treated as fact within the ''Wife'' blog. RTD mistakenly believed for ''decades'' his own unmade script was similar to ''The Long Game'' and that story is all over the place. Also, nothing links to Neil and Sue's blog besides this (fallacious) passage, while links to almost every other thing I've seen listed (apart from maybe Eruditorum) has been on real world and behind the scenes sections all over this wiki. By definition that's not equivalent in significance. -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 23:39, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

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Uncredited cast

Above is the list of the uncredited cast that was on the page. It will stay here until, source, not IMDb, are found. MM/Want to talk? 23:02, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

Doctor who?

Completely new here, but during the scene in the TARDIS at the beginning of The Cave Of Skulls, Ian calls The Doctor "Doctor Foreman" to which he replies "Doctor who? I don't know what you're talking about." This is probably worth referencing somewhere on the wiki but I have no idea where the best place would be.

Setantae 20:50, September 14, 2014 (UTC)

Decimal discussion

Perhaps just a nitpicky situation, but on the recent amendment to the page's plot detailing; "However, she has very curious gaps about present-day culture — for example, she forgets that the UK has yet to adopt a decimal currency." It is certainly the case that the United Kingdom and Ireland would, in real-world instance, collectively decide in 1966 that it would phase into decimal currency by 1971... but since this is about the in-universe occurrences - do we actually have a source to properly define this as being a reference for the entirety of the UK in-universe or are we technically presuming that it's not just related to England? JDPManjoume 13:18, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

DVD releases

Do all DVD releases show the unaired pilot episode first if Play All is selected? Gilgamesh de Uruk 07:55, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Update to mention Tribe of Gum Controversy?

Basically the title, should we add mention of the whole controversy going on, especially as it now official that the BBC have lost the rights? The preceding unsigned comment was added by Brigadier-tc (talk • contribs) .

I'd rather wait a little longer until we know a few more details. Bongo50 16:27, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Alright fair enough. Brigadier-tc 16:38, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Wife in Space

Genuinely, in what sense is Neil and Sue Perryman's blog and its accompanying memoir an episode guide or reference book? -- Tybort (talk page) 21:26, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

If anything, including any of those sources, save maybe The Discontinuity Guide, listing episode 1 and 2-4 as separate stories, gives precedence to fans over the Doctor Who production office and is pushing T:NPOV. -- Tybort (talk page) 22:48, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
"Reference book" is Wiki-speak for any Doctor Who-related non-fiction book, as distinct from the narrower sense I suppose you're working from. Scrooge MacDuck 23:09, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
OK, so that's literally worse than my working assumption. Why is a non-fiction and from what I gather self published memoir that's mostly about watching a show and the two people's romantic relationship any kind of authority or precedent holder over what is or is not for the production of a TV show? I could say and publish on social media that Rose is the tenth story of the fifth series and is also a nine-parter, that still wouldn't will it as such. -- Tybort (talk page) 23:19, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
No, but if you published a book claiming as much and it garnered significant attention in the fandom, that would be a notable fact about the public reception to An Unearthly Child. We're not arguing about tablets of law here, or an underlying objective reality. How people lump and number serials post hoc is a sociological observation about trends in fandom, critical thought, and BBC record-keeping. "Wrong" ideas that gain significant public acknowledgement are as notable as "true" (BBC-ordered) data. And certainly Wife in Space is a very significant book as far as non-BBC-authored non-fiction goes, at about the same level as AHistory, About Time, TARDIS Eruditorum, etc. Scrooge MacDuck 23:24, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
Wrong ideas are by their very essence false and fallacious. Kate Bush still did not write Kinda even though it's jokingly treated as fact within the Wife blog. RTD mistakenly believed for decades his own unmade script was similar to The Long Game and that story is all over the place. Also, nothing links to Neil and Sue's blog besides this (fallacious) passage, while links to almost every other thing I've seen listed (apart from maybe Eruditorum) has been on real world and behind the scenes sections all over this wiki. By definition that's not equivalent in significance. -- Tybort (talk page) 23:39, 3 December 2023 (UTC)