Howling:Will anything else be erased?

Very well ciuld be, and I hope more things are erased. A new world with a fully reset timeline for the Doctor to travel would be simply... lovely. I'm hoping for things to pop up, like "What do you mean, there never was a Harold Saxon?"

Like, the crack starts erasing more and more--feeding on large events in history. Maybe, the year that never was never really was because it also fell victim to the crack? I love the whole time-can-be-rewritten-and-unwritten thing that Steven Moffat does, how time is in flux and can change, history can be changed. Genius. The Doctor's time traveling is changing history, as Moffat has said in the past.

The best example is how The Stolen Earth/Journey's End made it so that everyone knew about the Daleks, canceling out/changing the events of Dalek or sepperating that event to a different timeline. And then suddenly the former event is gone, and Dalek could still happen. Or, it's a retcon of a retcon. Gotta love Moffat's way or doing things!

The Whoniverse is always being pushed and shoved around, split, changed, you name it. The Time War did a do-over on history, too, I heard Moffat say a while ago. I think either him or Russel T Davies said the reason Earth was still where it was - and called Earth - in 5 billion was because of the Time War and how it rewrote time. Like they say, there is no such thing as strict continuity in the show - only time being in flux, rewritten or even unwrittenn

The only things that can't be changed are fixed points... well, even they can be changed. But they're not supposed to be. But can! The Doctor tried to change time (and did a little bit) in The Waters of Mars.

The crack is more powerful, and seems to unwrite things (including people) without affecting the consquences of those events, with only time travelers remembeing because they were outside of the timelines.

Does anyone else want to see more erasing going on? I find the concept of the world being rewritten really cool, to be honest. That world we have been watching, seeing it just... change. Awesome idea. Delton Menace 18:25, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

I hope the events of The End of Time will be erased - the thought of the Master's head on Amy Pond's body is rather disturbing. MidnightCat 20:31, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

IMO, I don't like the fact that SM has erased events from history, like the Dalek invasion. It seems to me that 2 good episodes and a story arc were wasted - that very event impacted human history, but now it didn't and will never do, unless in the finale everything is resolved and goes back to normal, erased events back where they should be. However, I thought it was great that SM explained why no one remembered the CyberKing, that bit should stay forgotten. P.S. I agree with MidnightCat >.< The evil dude . 20:32, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

MightCat, her body would have been changed, too... ugh. The evil dude... it only matters that it did happen from the Doctor's perspective, and the perspective or anyone who experienced it and time traveled before the change to history. But what you need to know is, a lot of things change every time the Doctor travels, and we don't even realise half of the time. Just because the impact it had (or, did have, but no longer does) is gone, doesn't change that it happened forever for the Doctor, and will always keep the impact on him. Delton Menace 21:21, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

That's a great point, Delton.

Also, remember that Jack, Martha (if she ever reappears on TW or in an NSA or whatever), Sarah Jane and friends, and other time traveling participants will remember the events, so they can still indirectly affect the world.

But I like the idea of the show being back to the way it used to be: "Don't be silly, there's no such thing as alien invaders" and UNIT desperately trying to keep a lid on things and so on made for fun and believable stories, while "Yeah, everyone knows aliens invade every Christmas, no big deal" makes the Whoniverse different enough from our world that you can't really relate to the stories the same way, and the characters and situations are less believable the longer it goes on. --Falcotron 01:42, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

I completely agree with you. aliens are becomeing too common of a thing for the universe they are living in. There needs to be more relation to our own personal universe which may be why SM is having things be erased. He may be erasing certain points in time to "reset" the series. the "earth...lians" can only end up knowing a certain amount more than we know until the beliveability comes into question. Even though it has aspects that cannot be explained in our own world at our time, it has to relatively keep up with us regarding the timeline. if the technology of "our time" in the show is too far ahead of ours, how are we too believe it?

Sorry wrote that quick, any problems let me know.V00D00M0NKY 09:34, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

No, that's fine, it all makes sense.

The question is, what exactly would you have to undo to make aliens no longer common knowledge? There are only a few cases where UNIT/TW/etc. didn't successfully cover things up (except in the future--lots of stuff in the mid/late-21st, but that's some future writer's problem, right?).

The cracks already removed the CyberKing in London and the Stolen Earth. If the Sontarans and Raxacofallapatorians are in the Pandorica, that implies the Sontaran Stratagem and Aliens of London may be undone as well.

It's reasonable that Starship Titanic would have been covered up if it were the first evidence of aliens, instead of happening after aliens were already common knowledge. (In a world with things like Valiant, it wouldn't be too hard to create a bad "fake coverup" that led everyone to believe that an experimental UNIT ship crashed and they're denying that it ever existed.)

Nessie from Terror of the Zygons is still a serious problem, but the show has successfully ignored it for 35 years.

I love the way Last of the Time Lords plays out for the public. There was a Harold Saxon--the UK elected a UFO nut, who promised the world alien contact, but the aliens didn't show up, and he went nuts and shot the US President. If anything, that would leave people less likely than ever to believe in aliens.

So, that really just leaves the Master Race and Gallifrey appearing in the sky. But maybe that one took care of itself. The few shots we got of uninvolved people at the end, they seemed pretty confused.

So, the Moff doesn't need to undo the entire RTD era to get back the alienness of aliens. --Falcotron 18:56, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

But whoever said he is trying to make aliens unknown again? That's a silly assumpton, as the point of the crack is that it is erasing... the entire timeline of the Whoniverse, bit by bit. Delton Menace 19:18, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

I said it. But it's based on the pretty obvious fact that the two things that we know for a fact were erased from the past are two of the most dramatic "can't ignore aliens now" moments in the show. That could just be a coincidence--after all, they're also both somewhat recent memories for the Doctor, and things that would be easy for him to notice having changed. But if so, it's still a pretty major coincidence. --Falcotron 21:24, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

i belive that the cracks are to recute a army for its creator and the reason the cracks apper where ever the doc goes is becuse the creator of the cracks despratly wants the docter but the docter leaves befor it gets him and then just decides to take all the things / aliens around the doc if this is true then the creator of the cracks has a huge army Drwhoworld 16:35, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, building an army. That is actually believable. User:Solar Dragon/Signature 19:17, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Solar Dragon--this is the first new fan theory I've heard about the cracks in a long time that sounds plausible. Anyone who's powerful enough to do this would surely know about the LGTW, and probably know that the Doctor is the sole survivor/winner, so of course they'd want him. And this way, the cracks wouldn't even have to be directly related to the Pandorica--the same person who's using the cracks to build an army might reasonably decide to break open an ancient prison for the same reason. Nice theory. --Falcotron 20:03, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

hi thank for the comments i might start a thread around this and who ever this guy is the doc has been giveing him the most dedlyest army ever!! Drwhoworld 10:02, June 2, 2010 (UTC)