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There is always this recurring problem with the 'appearances' on character pages looking, well, extrememly messy. All because of one thing: appearances in different media is out-of order, for example:

DW:

DW:

TW:

DW:

SJA:

TW:

TW:

DW:

SJA:

I do believe that when putting down what appearances a character make sin any media, the media order should be more organized, like:

DW:

TW:

TW:

SJA:

SJA:

Not just left in random order. A good example is the Moon article, where I placed all the DW together, and all the, for example, DWM together, and didn't have anything between them. I looks a hell of a lot cleaner, and it easier to read that way. But the problem here is, people don't place them in media order (where the media appearances, such as DW, as all together), and then it looks messy and random. I changed the Supreme Dalek (from Victory of the Daleks) to make it tider, too, instead of:

DW:

VG:

DW:

it now goes

DW:

DW:

VG:

Am I the only person who can see how much easier it is to read when they're order in such a way, and how it makes the the artcile box look cleaner? Delton Menace 17:00, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

The appearances in the infobox are generally ordered by appearance.

Though when they're ordered in the complete 'List of appearances' article they're broken down into various media.

I think if we're to have some logic to the in-infobox list it needs to follow some form of logic, alphabetical by prefix? Grouped by media and then alphabetical?

We certainly need to settle on a some form of consistency that can be applied throughout all articles.

Also we should settle on how many stories that's listed in 'appearances' is the tipping point for a full 'List of appearances' article. --Tangerineduel 17:29, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Ordered by appearance has one problem: It's not a total order. What happens if a novel comes out the same day as a BFA or episode or children's novel? And many novels, novelizations, BFAs, etc. are only listed as "September 2008"--is that before 1 September, after 30 September, ...?

If we're going to make the infobox broken out like the complete list of appearances articles, the sort order should be the same. Except that the list articles don't appear to be standardized either, so maybe that's the first step?

It looks like the articles are grouped by media, with some media containing subcategories, in an arbitrary order; then separated by line within each medium or sub-medium, mostly sorted alphabetically by category (but usually with VD before ST and TVC before other comics); sometimes broken down arbitrarily within each line (e.g., the Tenth Doctor's Christmas specials come after his regular episodes; some BF companions have their appearances broken down by Doctor, either sorted by Doctor number or by which Doctor they worked with first, and with BFCCs tossed in under one of the Doctors); and finally sorted by release number/chronological order/the obvious.

But, as I said, this isn't consistent (and neither is the lead sentence, come to think of it).

Here's all the media I saw in a bunch of random list articles (Doctors, companions, and races):

• Television (and Monster Files etc. usually appear here, not where you'd expect)
  • Doctor Who Mini-Episodes (this is where Search Out Space and Dimensions in Time usually show up)
• Video (or Direct-to-video or Videos)
• Webcast (or Webcasts) (or BBCi Webcast instead of a separate category and line) (or sometimes "New Media" with a "Webcasts" subcategory and nothing else) (sometimes a subcategory of Audio instead) (usually has appearances directly underneath, with no line as a sub-heading)
• Audio (or Audios or Audio plays or Audio stories)
• Stage Plays
• Prose (or Prose fiction) (often before Audio)
  • Novels
  • Novelisations
  • Novellas (sometimes together with the next as sub-subcategories of "Short Fiction"; other times the category is "Telos Doctor Who Novellas" instead of being a category with one line underneath it)
  • Short stories
  • Children's books
  • Interactive novels
  • Other (things like stories in RPG sourcebooks)
• Comics (or Comic strips) (sometimes listed under Prose)
  • Online comics (but often these are not broken out as a subcategory)
• Other (sometimes suffixed with "non-canonical") (which includes things like Devious and Extras)

One more thing: Should the list of prefixes be in at least a similar order to the list of appearances pages? (Because it's not.) --Falcotron 20:45, June 9, 2010 (UTC)