Howling:What's in the pandorica?

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I looked at the Big Bang page on the wiki and everyone seems to think an old master villain is coming back. So what is in the pandorica?

• It's not the Beast, the whole 666 thing is bull, and while he may be a goblin, I doubt the Doctor would call him a "Trickster."
• It's not the Master. Bringing him back would serve no logical purpose.
• It's not Omega, same reason as above.

I think the Pandorica is the TARDIS. Or a TARDIS. Discuss. the twelfth doctor 19:27, June 12, 2010 (UTC)

It's Bill Cosby. The evil dude. 19:29, June 12, 2010 (UTC)

It's a prison of some sort. It will release all of these enemies. User:Solar Dragon/Signature 19:36, June 12, 2010 (UTC)

I agree that it wont be The master or the Beast for the reasons you said but as for omega he was eating stuff up like the cracks in the three doctors but your probably right no logical reason to bring him back in peter davisons era why now. As for it being a Tardis well the genesis ark was kind of a prison and a tardis . But I don't thinks its the doctors tardis Winehousefan, 20:40, June 12, 2010 [UTC]

It may be Time Lord technology again thoug. I doubt it as they have played that Time Lord technology prison before with the Genesis Ark. User:Solar Dragon/Signature 19:42, June 12, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah LOL this would have Daleks cybermen and time lord tech and [rumoured] Billie Piper bit simiilar to Doomsday. But are the enemies neccessarily coming out of the prison though I read on this wiki that they were trying to throw the doc in. Though I suppose they could get out and then chuck him in. I think whether it is a tardis or not the rumors of it being connected to the the time lords are true as the lodger was all about a Tardis someone building a Tardis obviously something else from gallifrey is returning. It might be some super Tardis unlike any we have seen different from even the genesis Ark, though I suppose that is still a bit doomsday. Winehousefan: 21:55, June 12, 2010, [UTC]

In the trailer for the next episode it looked more like it _attracted_ all the other aliens. Rubbernecking? :) 82.95.255.5 20:02, June 12, 2010 (UTC)

River song was kind of like "look doctor its the daleks", plus you saw there were all spaceships flying towards the earth, whether they had just sort of been released or they were flying there toward the earth because thats where the pandorica was, is very hard to tell at the moment. I guess it could either be them being released and river could of been saying thats whats coming out when she went on about the monsters Daleks cybermen and such. Or that could have been them arriving and she was either telling them whats just arrived or what will be attracted here. I read that there is the most feared thing in the cosmos in the pandorica so again it could be the monsters escaping from it or coming there to stop it opening either is possible. Winehousefan, 21:20, June 12, 2010, [UTC]

Yes, and the Doctor even asks why all the aliens are converging on the Pandorica. So, clearly they're not coming out of it.

All we know about what's in the prison is the Doctor's "goblin, trickster, warrior" quote (from the Radio Times weeks ago, but now we know it's the Doctor saying it), and it's the most feared being in the cosmos. Sounds like a very special prison to hold just one very dangerous enemy, not a prison full of all kinds of stuff.

And if it's an ancient prison that's passed into myth even among the Time Lords, whatever's in there presumably hasn't been running around in the new series. So no Beast, no Master, no future Doctor. Who exactly could have put them there post-LGTW?

OK, I suppose the Master could pull a Brer Rabbit--he begs, "Please Brer Rassilon, do whatever you want to me, zap me with your glove, torture me to death, but don't send me back to the beginning of time to be locked in the Pandorica for all eternity", because he somehow knows that it's the only way out of the time lock. But it seems too soon to bring him back.

I still think it's going to be an all-new enemy that Steven Moffat invented that's going to scare the pants of everyone. That's what the Moff is best at, after all. --Falcotron 05:19, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

Listing what we know about what's in the Pandorica:

• It's a singular being.
• It's something that the Daleks, Cybermen, Sontarans, et al can all agree is too dangerous to let out.
• It's soaked in the blood of a billion worlds.
• It's a trickster, or a warrior.
• It's the most feared thing in all the cosmos.

I can only think of one thing in the universe that meets all of those: the oncoming storm, the destroyer of worlds. Monkey with a Gun 06:00, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

See Combom's blog for the best version I've seen of the "it's the Doctor" argument. But, even though I'm the one who indirectly gave the idea to Combom, I still don't think it's the Doctor. --Falcotron 06:02, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

What really seals it for me is the latest trailer, when the Doctor's narration of what "it" is is voiced over... shots of the Doctor. Monkey with a Gun 06:05, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, I think the latest trailer is the one on the BBC website, which Americans like me can't see (even though I've seen it--I think I took a quick trip to the UK or something), and it doesn't have that line at all.

I assume you mean the "new week" bit at the end of the Lodger (which starts with Rosanna's quote about the cracks instead of Prisoner Zero's)? If so, it isn't voiced over shots of the Doctor; it's over Amy, River, and the Doctor, alternating from one to the next to the next and then finally all 3 of them at once. "[closeup of Amy's face] There was a goblin, or [long-shot of River from behind] a trickster [cut to the Doctor] or a warrior, soaked in the blood [cut to River] of a billion galaxies [to a 3-shot of them all side-by-side]. The most feared [2-shot of just the Doctor and Amy, with River barely visible off the edge of the screen] being in all the cosmos."

Or is there another new trailer I don't know about? --Falcotron 07:23, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think the Daleks, Cybermen etc are in the Pandorica, I think they've been summoned by the Pandorica to stop the Doctor from stopping it. Then again, since it's based on Pandora's box (in which all the evils of the world are contained), it's quite possible there's something inside the Pandroica that takes their form. The Doctor opens it, thus releasing the Daleks etc. I still think the Pandorica is the TARDIS though. the twelfth doctor 07:44, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure the Pandorica is the big puzzle box that the Doctor, Amy, and River are standing in front of and examining in all three trailers. The one with the gears that begin turning by themselves, to which the Doctor says, "It's opening," in the "Next Time" trailer. Which certainly doesn't look like the TARDIS. --Falcotron 07:50, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

I personally do believe that it is a new enemy locked in the box, whether the box is tardis like prison like the genesis I am not sure I don't think it is the tardis but i think it might be connected because of the whole building a Tardis in the lodger. But I think it is definetly a new enemy because I think this is Moffats way of getting there to be new villains in the season finales. In the RTD era all there ever was as big bads were the old classic enemies. It really can't go on for much longer, if it was any of them the daleks cybermen or the master next both us and the doctor would be like "oh god what you doing this time plot to destroy universe again." By having all the major enemies from the RTD era in this one the slitheen [I am not goin to bother writning RAXOwhatever] the Autons the sycrocrax all scared of this new enemy will be like to new viewers "See a new enemy can be scary like the old ones too" and will help Moffat to have a new enemy next year as the big bad and because of this story it wont feel "there nothing to the daleks" for new viewers. Obviously the Daleks are still going to be in doctor who next year I dont think there is any attempt to cover it up anymore its not like season two or whatever the producers are just all "yeah they are the biggest villains so what if they come back every year" which is fine. I don't know about all of you but all I can say is when I was young the only reason I watched Doctor Who was because of the Daleks, and I reckon alot of young kids that watch doctor who today will be like that too. If its not the Daleks it could be the doctors other enemies like the cybermen or the slitheen. I think this is the last season finale with an old enemy in it though for a while at least, or at least one of the old enemies from the RTD era I suppose they could bring back an old enemy from the classic series in as a new enemy to to new viewers. Winehousefan, 09:37, June 13, 2010, [UTC]

Hhhmmm...I kind of took the Doctor's narration of the "warrior, trickster" line to mean it's definately NOT the Doctor, because then he would be describing himself. I know that it's still possible, but I'd rather like to believe that Moffat has been creative, and the Pandorica isn't a Tardis, it's something completely new, and the Silence is completely new and the cracks, and the big bad monster is something we've never seen before and will amaze and scare the nation.If it turns out to be another old monster brought back or just the Doctor showing his oncoming storm-side, I think I'd be disappointed. With the whole lead up with the cracks, building towards the finale, I'm expecting something good...no pressure!

Please sign your posts with four tildes (~). Otherwise, what kind of pressure is the Moff going to feel? "Ha! This guy's afraid to even tell me his name, what do I care about disappointing him?" :)

Anyway, I suspect that his narration is actually him reading something (writing on the box itself, a book River gives him, etc.) or translating an old Gallifreyan fairy tale from his childhood, or something like that, and he doesn't necessarily know what it's describing. But, other than that, I agree with both you and Winehousefan. --Falcotron 10:52, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

What is the box; what’s in the box? Let’s just list all of the possibilities and decide on what would be disappointing and what wouldn’t. Vote for best and worst answer. Add more too.

1. A Schrödinger cat. I shall call him Pixel and he shall be my friend.

2. E-space – all that entropy comes back. That’s probably not nice.

3. Reality – we are already looking inside the Pandorica when it opens we can get back to the real world. Hopefully everything wouldn’t turn out to be a dream/unreal.

4. Omega – A Time Lord

5. The Master – Another time lord.

6. A demon – similar to the beast.

7. The Omega Point. (It has Five things you know).

8. Moffat sitting at a desk writing ‘and he saw a man sitting at a desk writing ‘and he saw a man sitt..

9. A mirror with a reflection of the Doctor banging helplessly on the other side of the glass forever.

10. Daleks (or another big non timelord enemy)

11. A young girl called Amy dreaming of a raggerdy man.

12. Rory with some ice cream and a note explaining where he’s been.

13. The antimatter doctor.

14. A McGuffin (with fries)

15. Anti-time; just about enough to cancel out all of the time there is.

16. Noel Edmonds and £250 000 (or 1p).

17. An Angel (not the weeping kind)

18. Nothing. Literally nothing.

19. Everything. All of the possibilities that can evey be waiting to be chosen.

20. A note saying ‘We apologise for the inconvenience’.

21. (Almost forgot) A big sparky style switch with an on and off position. It looks really old and wonky. There is a piece of red Dymo tape stuck next to it saying 'Reality'

Jack Chilli 09:00, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

I was considering the possibility that the Pandorica is empty, that it is only a potential prison at the moment, and the Doctor's enemies are converging on Earth during 102AD in order to lock him away in the Pandorica. There have been photos leaked which show Romans surrounded by Daleks, Roboforms and Judoon, dragging the Doctor kicking and screaming towards something, in the next episode the Doctor is gone, and this combines the idea that the Pandorica contains the Doctor as the "nameless, terrible thing".

Whatever it is and whatever is inside, I'm under the impression that the Cybermen in the underground chambers shown in the trailers are guarding the Pandorica. Either that or they were searching for it a long time ago and couldn't manage it. Either of these theories explains why they seem to be rusty and falling apart. 86.158.106.184 10:56, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough. I don't remember anybody saying that it's already full.

22. It's a trap designed to remove the Doctor from reality.

Oh and an awful one:

23. Its a mental device that wakes the Doctor up after he was smacked on the head by Amy with a bat and went into a coma. Bad dreams. Jack Chilli 11:16, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

When we have a completish list of suggestions can somebody that knows how to wiki put the list somwhere then we can vote by putting our names underneath each suggestion. Get rid of all of the discussion and just have the suggested possibilities (sensible or not) Lock the page on Saturday morning and preserve it for all time. That way we can look stupid when the truth is revelaed. Jack Chilli 11:16, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

This shows the doctor being dragged by roman soliders into the open pandorica, it looks like the pandoica is biggger on the inside.--Bhillybillybob 12:17, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

I thought that the new Big Bad villain is all new this series or something. It would really suck if it's someone/thing we've seen before. I thought this was supposed to be a new era for Dr Who, so I really want them to bring in a new Big Bad Villain that can be used for future stories or something, like how the Weeping Angels are turning into those all-time best villains of the Doctor. The 'Doctor in Pandorica' theory bores me. I think It's too simple, if The Doctor is inside it or something along those lines, then there better be some big awesome reason for why he's in there. Looking at clues and recurring themes through the series, I want some sort of mythical, dark entity that's connected to different realities and dreams and fears. Something 'fairy tale' but not too fairy tale with pixies and stuff. What if the being is cursed (if it's not an old villain or The Doctor himself) or something. Curses or stuff like that are in fairy tales. 80.65.246.197 16:38, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

24. It's Russel T Davies asking for the show back. the twelfth doctor 20:58, June 14, 2010 (UTC)