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I'm possibly way over thinking this one, but somehow one of the categories for this page is really not sitting well with me. The article is currently categorized, in part, under [[:Category:New York City locations]]. ''Daleks in Manhattan'' doesn't actually say this, and, of course, in real life that's a ''very'' contentious issue. (See [[wikipedia:Liberty Island#Jurisdictional disputes]] for more.) In a very technical sense, all we see is that they are at the Statue of Liberty, which is actually ''federal'' land; only Liberty Island can be argued a part of NYC. Since categories are themselves in-universe assertions, can we actually say it's a NYC location? I mean the Doctor and Martha are looking out across the Harbor towards Manhattan when they speak of "New York City". Neither alleges they are in NYC simply by virtue of being at the Statue of Liberty. I mean, I know that the statue is iconic of NYC and all, but it's not at all ''clearly'' in NYC, and the episode doesn't establish a DWU position on the matter. '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]''' [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 00:26, June 18, 2010 (UTC) | I'm possibly way over thinking this one, but somehow one of the categories for this page is really not sitting well with me. The article is currently categorized, in part, under [[:Category:New York City locations]]. ''Daleks in Manhattan'' doesn't actually say this, and, of course, in real life that's a ''very'' contentious issue. (See [[wikipedia:Liberty Island#Jurisdictional disputes]] for more.) In a very technical sense, all we see is that they are at the Statue of Liberty, which is actually ''federal'' land; only Liberty Island can be argued a part of NYC. Since categories are themselves in-universe assertions, can we actually say it's a NYC location? I mean the Doctor and Martha are looking out across the Harbor towards Manhattan when they speak of "New York City". Neither alleges they are in NYC simply by virtue of being at the Statue of Liberty. I mean, I know that the statue is iconic of NYC and all, but it's not at all ''clearly'' in NYC, and the episode doesn't establish a DWU position on the matter. '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]''' [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 00:26, June 18, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:As a New Yorker I'm quite familiar with the issue. Technically, since this article is about the statue itself and not Liberty Island, I would be fine without classifying it as a location at all, but given the general public's perception of the statue as an NYC thing I figured if I didn't add the category, someone else would. I just addressed this by moving it from the "New York City locations" cat to the "New York City" one; regardless of location, the statue is iconic to New York City both in-universe and out (In ''[[Cold Fusion]],'' the Doctor responds to Tegan's admission that she's never seen the Statue with "what, never been to New York on a stopover?") so it fits there either way. | |||
:I wonder if the block of italics which rivals the article itself for length could go. Would it be better to to just steer the article away from the issue entirely? The geographic-only explanation of its location you put in the opening sentence is really the best way to handle it, without taking this wiki off-scope. [[User:Rob T Firefly|Rob T Firefly]] 06:45, June 18, 2010 (UTC) | |||
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I'm possibly way over thinking this one, but somehow one of the categories for this page is really not sitting well with me. The article is currently categorized, in part, under Category:New York City locations. Daleks in Manhattan doesn't actually say this, and, of course, in real life that's a very contentious issue. (See wikipedia:Liberty Island#Jurisdictional disputes for more.) In a very technical sense, all we see is that they are at the Statue of Liberty, which is actually federal land; only Liberty Island can be argued a part of NYC. Since categories are themselves in-universe assertions, can we actually say it's a NYC location? I mean the Doctor and Martha are looking out across the Harbor towards Manhattan when they speak of "New York City". Neither alleges they are in NYC simply by virtue of being at the Statue of Liberty. I mean, I know that the statue is iconic of NYC and all, but it's not at all clearly in NYC, and the episode doesn't establish a DWU position on the matter. CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 00:26, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
- As a New Yorker I'm quite familiar with the issue. Technically, since this article is about the statue itself and not Liberty Island, I would be fine without classifying it as a location at all, but given the general public's perception of the statue as an NYC thing I figured if I didn't add the category, someone else would. I just addressed this by moving it from the "New York City locations" cat to the "New York City" one; regardless of location, the statue is iconic to New York City both in-universe and out (In Cold Fusion, the Doctor responds to Tegan's admission that she's never seen the Statue with "what, never been to New York on a stopover?") so it fits there either way.
- I wonder if the block of italics which rivals the article itself for length could go. Would it be better to to just steer the article away from the issue entirely? The geographic-only explanation of its location you put in the opening sentence is really the best way to handle it, without taking this wiki off-scope. Rob T Firefly 06:45, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
