Talk:Rory Williams (Auton)

Premature

Um, aren't we jumping the gun a tad? I mean, sittin' here prior to the airing of The Big Bang, it certainly seems possible to me that Rory was an Auton all along, from our very first meeting with him in The Eleventh Hour. I wouldn't link too much to this article over the next week, cause it's certainly possible right now that it could be merged with Rory Williams. CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 03:51, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

There's also the epistemological question of whether this Auton we saw has the actual soul of Rory Williams, or whether he's even real. I mean, if he's a actual creation of the Nestene Consciousness, but with the soul of the real Rory Williams, then he is, for all intents and purposes, the real Rory Williams. And if he's just the creation of Amy's mind, he's not real in any sense and therefore doesn't deserve his own article. In any event, development and use of this article should be forgone for the next week until we know better what we're dealing with. Please remember that if ultimately it proves more logical to just merge this with Rory Williams, someone actually has to do that work. Don't create a mess that simply has to be cleaned up later. CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 03:56, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

Keep in mind that Rory and Amy played games concerning the "raggady Doctor" when "we (they) were kids." Would an auton be able to grow in a plastic equivalent to that of human biology?--Hawki 10:38, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

Logically, if the Autons can create replicas this sophisticated, it would certainly be possible for them to create the illusion of biological maturation. Now, of course, The Big Bang might come and wash this theory away, but even if it does, we're still left with the philosophical question of what makes a person "real". Personally, I think that even if this body is shown to be unremarkably Auton, the soul inside is still Rory. Unless, of course, Moffat decides to suggest that, as a part of the Alliance, the Nestene borrowed tech from the Zygons which kept the real Rory in a chamber somewhere, feeding the Auton replica his psyche . . . CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 16:34, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

There does seem to be a bit too much guesswork. This Rory may indeed be the miracle that the Doctor said he was. His conciouness (or soul) really did transfer to a suitable host that happened to be made by the Nestine. There seems no reason to put the effort in to make a real Rory so why is he there in the first place? His body can be explained as happy accident becasue there happened to be a photograph of him in Roman costume. His mind though? Why bother with that? I'd wait until his story is finally resolved. Jack Chilli.

But there is no such thing as a soul... 71.161.229.247 19:50, June 22, 2010 (UTC)

Whoever you are, in such matters (which do not have to do with the article), keep your opinion to yourself. If you think that death means the complete end of your being, fine. But for all intents and purposes in the Doctor Who universe there is no evidence people lack souls.

And CzechOut, all that is just speculation which is not what wikis are for. Remember, only facts not speculation Darkraider09 17:37, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

I got the impression from The Big Bang that, for all intents and purposes, the Doctor considered Auton-Rory to be, for all intents and purposes, the real Rory stuffed into an Auton body. He even says something to the effect that the Nestenes only intended to copy his mind, but because of the circumstances surrounding Amy, they ended up getting his heart and soul as well. Or something like that. Chenrezi 01:32, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

Companion

Is it safe to call Auton Rory a companion then? User:Solar Dragon/Signature 19:09, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

Shouldn't we combine the two Rory pages since it was shown that they were in fact the same person?Wollstone 02:23, June 27, 2010 (UTC)wollstone