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:Glimmer1971, it seems to me that there might be reasons to prefer a single essay to the policy-dictated format. Is it your general feeling that this is superior or are there specific reasons why ''Colony in Space'' should be set this way? In any case, your reasons would be helpful in determining whether an exception to the standard -- or, indeed, a recasting of that standard -- is warranted. [[User:Boblipton|Boblipton]] <sup>[[User talk:Boblipton|talk to me]]</sup> 21:15, October 11, 2011 (UTC) | :Glimmer1971, it seems to me that there might be reasons to prefer a single essay to the policy-dictated format. Is it your general feeling that this is superior or are there specific reasons why ''Colony in Space'' should be set this way? In any case, your reasons would be helpful in determining whether an exception to the standard -- or, indeed, a recasting of that standard -- is warranted. [[User:Boblipton|Boblipton]] <sup>[[User talk:Boblipton|talk to me]]</sup> 21:15, October 11, 2011 (UTC) | ||
Thanks for the replies, Bob & Rob. I side with Shakespeare in that I believe brevity to be the soul of wit. In certain cases, one could argue that some Dr Who stories tend to plod along, and a Plot summary of the action episode-by-episode (and subsequently scene-by-scene) would make for rather long and uninspiring reading (i.e. "The colonists take arms against the miners and take over. Then the miners take control. Then the colonists. Some primitives shake some spears. Then the Master arrives."), and that story is arguably better-served by a summation that spares the minutia in favor of a generalization. ''Colony in Space'' is one such story. I did the same with ''The Monster of Peladon''; I gave what I believe to be a more effective summation of the plot than were I to describe long passages of characters wandering up and down corridors and mine tunnels. Is it objective? Probably not. (I note that other stories' Plot summaries are so detailed that a transcript of the dialogue would be shorter.) In ''Colony'''s case I intended to at least honor the structure of the televised story by adding the cliffhangers. [[User:Glimmer1971|Glimmer1971]] <sup>[[User talk:Glimmer1971|talk to me]]</sup> 13:49, October 12, 2011 (UTC) | |||
:Glimmer1971, I am in general agreement with you. I also believe that the headings are mislabelled. "Synopses" are usually teasers and plots are outlines, with far too many details and personalities are what people do, not what they think. I spend a lot of time cutting out not just pointless words (chopping "He eventually manages to be able to do such-and-such" to "He does such and such") but endless blather. We are blessed/afflicted with a lot of enthusiastic people who fail to understand that brevity is the soul of wit. | :Glimmer1971, I am in general agreement with you. I also believe that the headings are mislabelled. "Synopses" are usually teasers and plots are outlines, with far too many details and personalities are what people do, not what they think. I spend a lot of time cutting out not just pointless words (chopping "He eventually manages to be able to do such-and-such" to "He does such and such") but endless blather. We are blessed/afflicted with a lot of enthusiastic people who fail to understand that brevity is the soul of wit. | ||
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:If you do such a thing, I would take it as a kindness if you sent me a private notification, perhaps on my talk page or in this discussion, which I do follow. [[User:Boblipton|Boblipton]] <sup>[[User talk:Boblipton|talk to me]]</sup> 14:12, October 12, 2011 (UTC) | :If you do such a thing, I would take it as a kindness if you sent me a private notification, perhaps on my talk page or in this discussion, which I do follow. [[User:Boblipton|Boblipton]] <sup>[[User talk:Boblipton|talk to me]]</sup> 14:12, October 12, 2011 (UTC) | ||
I agree regarding the Synopsis - many authors don't seem to agree what the purpose of the Synopsis is; I agree with you that it ought to be a teaser, as opposed to a short version of what ought to be included in Plot. | I agree regarding the Synopsis - many authors don't seem to agree what the purpose of the Synopsis is; I agree with you that it ought to be a teaser, as opposed to a short version of what ought to be included in Plot. [[User:Glimmer1971|Glimmer1971]] <sup>[[User talk:Glimmer1971|talk to me]]</sup> 15:23, October 12, 2011 (UTC) | ||
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If this thread's title doesn't specify it's spoilery, don't bring any up.
I am the principle editor of the Colony In Space page. I have opted to write the plot summary as a single essay, not breaking it down episode-by-episode. Consequently, on more than one occasion I have added a description of the cliffhangers at the end, only to have this cliffhanger list removed by other users. Am I running against established Wikia policy?
It seems up to the discretion of the writer whether to summarize the plot as a single essay or in episodic format. If they opt for the former, it would be useful to include a list of the cliffhangers. If policy doesn't allow for this, can/should it be changed?
Glimmer1971 talk to me 17:01, October 11, 2011 (UTC)
- We do have a policy at Tardis:Format for television stories which specifies that the plot should be done episode-by-episode, which makes sense as you can include the cliffhangers there and it'd be the closest possible match to the action as it unfolded on-screen. — Rob T Firefly - Δ∇ - 21:08, October 11, 2011 (UTC)
- Glimmer1971, it seems to me that there might be reasons to prefer a single essay to the policy-dictated format. Is it your general feeling that this is superior or are there specific reasons why Colony in Space should be set this way? In any case, your reasons would be helpful in determining whether an exception to the standard -- or, indeed, a recasting of that standard -- is warranted. Boblipton talk to me 21:15, October 11, 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the replies, Bob & Rob. I side with Shakespeare in that I believe brevity to be the soul of wit. In certain cases, one could argue that some Dr Who stories tend to plod along, and a Plot summary of the action episode-by-episode (and subsequently scene-by-scene) would make for rather long and uninspiring reading (i.e. "The colonists take arms against the miners and take over. Then the miners take control. Then the colonists. Some primitives shake some spears. Then the Master arrives."), and that story is arguably better-served by a summation that spares the minutia in favor of a generalization. Colony in Space is one such story. I did the same with The Monster of Peladon; I gave what I believe to be a more effective summation of the plot than were I to describe long passages of characters wandering up and down corridors and mine tunnels. Is it objective? Probably not. (I note that other stories' Plot summaries are so detailed that a transcript of the dialogue would be shorter.) In Colony's case I intended to at least honor the structure of the televised story by adding the cliffhangers. Glimmer1971 talk to me 13:49, October 12, 2011 (UTC)
- Glimmer1971, I am in general agreement with you. I also believe that the headings are mislabelled. "Synopses" are usually teasers and plots are outlines, with far too many details and personalities are what people do, not what they think. I spend a lot of time cutting out not just pointless words (chopping "He eventually manages to be able to do such-and-such" to "He does such and such") but endless blather. We are blessed/afflicted with a lot of enthusiastic people who fail to understand that brevity is the soul of wit.
- Nonetheless, things are as they are. I look upon the plot section as an effort to mention as many of the relevant/linkable pages in the context of a brief recounting of the story. I think this is worth pursuing, but in a larger context. Please consider doing a blog post with the older Plot section and the one you propose replacing it with. It would let me see exactly what changes you propose and permit me to appraise it better than the inherently vague discussions that go on here permit.
- If you do such a thing, I would take it as a kindness if you sent me a private notification, perhaps on my talk page or in this discussion, which I do follow. Boblipton talk to me 14:12, October 12, 2011 (UTC)
I agree regarding the Synopsis - many authors don't seem to agree what the purpose of the Synopsis is; I agree with you that it ought to be a teaser, as opposed to a short version of what ought to be included in Plot. Glimmer1971 talk to me 15:23, October 12, 2011 (UTC)
