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*The Doctor calls Humans "stupid apes" but wouldn't the [[Gallifreyan]]s, being [[near-human]] and almost physically identical to Humans, had evolved from an ape-like race?
*The Doctor calls Humans "stupid apes" but wouldn't the [[Gallifreyan]]s, being [[near-human]] and almost physically identical to Humans, had evolved from an ape-like race?
::Possibly, but it was the Humans who were being stupid.
::Possibly, but it was the Humans who were being stupid.
*When Rose is at Clive Finch's house, Clive shows her pictures of the Doctor by himself in various places in history (the 1883 eruption of Krakatoa, JFK's assassination in 1963, and at Southampton on April 10, 1912, the day that the Titanic set sail). However, during this episode the Doctor implies several times that he has recently regenerated. You would expect the pictures can't be from the Doctor's future, because Rose is always with him until he regenerates into his David Tennant incarnation and she's not in any of the pictures, and Christopher Eccleston's departure from the series after this season allows no time for these appearances to occur. But if he just regenerated before this episode then he couldn't have visited them in his past, either. However, there are also acknowledged gaps between on screen episodes. In "Boom Town," Rose tells Mickey about places she has visited with the Doctor that are not shown on screen in previous episodes. So Rose could be traveling with the Doctor in all the instances found by Clive, but there is no guarantee that she was standing right next to or near the Doctor when the pictures were taken, so she would not necessarily appear in the photos. Plus, the Doctor could have traveled to these places in between the time when he leaves Rose and Mickey at the end, to when he returns a few seconds later saying "did I mention, it also travels in time?" to create the photos.


[[Category:DW TV discontinuity]]
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Revision as of 19:47, 30 March 2012

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  • When Rose is attacked by the plastic arm, the Doctor uses his sonic screwdriver to cancel the signal. While he is doing this, Jackie is drying her hair in the other room. In Forest of the Dead the Doctor says that hair dryers interfere with his sonic screwdriver, so shouldn't he be unable to use it against the arm?
The Doctor said some hair dryers. He also had to buzz it a few times for it to work.
Also that was a different sonic screwdriver then in Forest of the Dead, remember in Smith and Jones - he had to get a new one
  • Wouldn't Jackie hear Rose crashing through the table?
Jackie was drying her hair at the time, so would most probably not have heard her.
  • How can there be photos of the Doctor, on the day before the Titanic set sail, at the assassination of John F. Kennedy and when Krakatoa erupted, without Rose?
We don't know that the Doctor was newly-regenerated. His surprise at his looks could be explained by the fact he has a busy life and may not have had time, or bothered, to look in a mirror.
Those events could have happened after he saw Rose in her flat, but before he invited her to join him. Rose could have also chosen not to be in the photos, or may have not been near the Doctor when the photos were taken.
The Doctor dematerialised in his TARDIS when Rose initially declined the invitation to join him. He then rematerialised to tell her it was a time machine. The events could have happened during this time.
How about Rose being the one taking the pictures?
As seen in The Eleventh Hour, the Doctor doesn't really know what he looks like till he sees a photograph, or in that case a visual of himself. Not only that, The Eleventh, in Vampires Of Venice, takes a moment to look at himself in a mirror, acting like it's been a long time since her has seen what he looks like. Plus, I don't recall there being mirriors in the TARDIS control room, where he spends most of his time.
  • When the Auton's arm attacks Rose, we see Jackie in her bedroom using the hairdryer, when her hair is clearly already dry.
Many people use hair dryers to style their hair after it is dry.
  • When Mickey opens the lid to the rubbish bin and his hands are stuck to it, when he starts to stretch out the plastic and turn around, the strands switch hands instead of crossing.
Clearly the plastic has the ability to do that.
Or clearly the production team stuffed up simple as that
  • The Doctor says everything plastic shall come to life. However, during the Auton invasion, you can see heaps of plastic items that stays dormant. In fact, it's only the Shop Window Dummies that come to life. You can see shopping bags, chairs, bins that don't come to life at all.
He means the plastic that is controlled by the Nestene, why would the Nestene make plastic bags come to life when you can have a whole army of shop dummies? Plastic bags could fly around and suffocate people
  • Why do the Autons have guns in their hands anyway? Normal shop window dummies don't.
They must've been specially made and planted in shop windows, presumably by the Nestene Consciousness. Some of them may even be left over from the original invasion of Spearhead from Space.
or another possibility is that the joints in the wrists normally used to join the hands to the torso are shooting hard plastic bulllets
  • Why couldn't Rose tell Mickey was an Auton? Anyone would have noticed the weird plastic sheen to his skin and hair.
Rose was preoccupied thinking about the Doctor. Having almost been killed and then meeting a mysterious man, it is likely that she would not be thinking properly.
  • The Doctor calls Humans "stupid apes" but wouldn't the Gallifreyans, being near-human and almost physically identical to Humans, had evolved from an ape-like race?
Possibly, but it was the Humans who were being stupid.
  • When Rose is at Clive Finch's house, Clive shows her pictures of the Doctor by himself in various places in history (the 1883 eruption of Krakatoa, JFK's assassination in 1963, and at Southampton on April 10, 1912, the day that the Titanic set sail). However, during this episode the Doctor implies several times that he has recently regenerated. You would expect the pictures can't be from the Doctor's future, because Rose is always with him until he regenerates into his David Tennant incarnation and she's not in any of the pictures, and Christopher Eccleston's departure from the series after this season allows no time for these appearances to occur. But if he just regenerated before this episode then he couldn't have visited them in his past, either. However, there are also acknowledged gaps between on screen episodes. In "Boom Town," Rose tells Mickey about places she has visited with the Doctor that are not shown on screen in previous episodes. So Rose could be traveling with the Doctor in all the instances found by Clive, but there is no guarantee that she was standing right next to or near the Doctor when the pictures were taken, so she would not necessarily appear in the photos. Plus, the Doctor could have traveled to these places in between the time when he leaves Rose and Mickey at the end, to when he returns a few seconds later saying "did I mention, it also travels in time?" to create the photos.