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| -<[[User:Azes13|Azes13]] <sup>[[User talk:Azes13|talk to me]]</sup> 16:23, November 8, 2011 (UTC) | | -<[[User:Azes13|Azes13]] <sup>[[User talk:Azes13|talk to me]]</sup> 16:23, November 8, 2011 (UTC) |
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| == Recent creations ==
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| Hi :) Thanks for your edits. I regret I've had to delete many of them today. To prevent this, I'll echo some of what Azes has said to you above. Articles '''must''':
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| * '''not''' be based solely upon something from a reference book. (There must be a '''story''' which mentions the subject for you to create a page about it.)
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| * obey the following basic policies: [[T:LEADS]], [[T:BOLD TEXT]], [[T:CITE]], [[T:ITAL]], [[T:SOURCES]], [[T:WIKIFY]], [[T:CANON]]. (Articles must obey the entirety of [[T:MOS|the manual of style]], but these are ''sections'' of the MOS I notice you've repeatedly offended.)
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| * be more than just "X was a planet". That's not nearly enough info with which to start an article.
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| Please review our MOS before making further edits. If you need help, please ask me or any other [[admin]]. Thanks again for your efforts! {{user:CzechOut/Sig}} <span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">14:08: Wed 09 Nov 2011 </span>
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| == 1 hour block ==
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| You need to take a break.
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| You don't seem to be heeding either [[User:Azes13|Azes13]]'s or my instructions on your talk page, so I need to block you for one hour to give you a chance to read the [[tardis:manual of style]]. The pages which you have been adding recently have all been summarily deleted, or are in the ''process'' of being deleted. Please understand our policies before adding any more pages to this database. You may add comments to this page for the duration of your block.<br>
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| {{user:CzechOut/Sig}} <span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">14:32: Wed 09 Nov 2011 </span>
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| Just to make clear why I've blocked you and am now deleting a lot of your work, let's take a look at a sample article you've created:
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| ::[[Limus 4]] was a planet. ([[DW]]: [[The Leisure Hive]])
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| You use this style over and over again, and it's really not good enough. The biggest problem is that it's just not enough information. There must be ''something'' more than its status as a planet. Give us some kind of context for it, even if its as simple as
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| ::[[Limus 4]] was a planet that <character> mentioned in passing. (citation)
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| Obviously, we'd want ''every'' detail that the narrative provides. But we've '''got''' to have even a ''little'' bit more than just the fact that it's a planet. Also, story titles must be italicised, per [[T:ITAL]], and all articles '''must''' have a category. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}} <span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">14:43: Wed 09 Nov 2011 </span>
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| == Sources ==
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| It's pretty obvious that you're editing alphabetically, as though you're using a reference book. You should be aware that ''Doctor Who'' reference books — especially those pertaining to the classic series — '''are often wrong''' and should not be used as the primary source. Unless you have '''personally''' verified that a planet appears in a story, '''please''' don't create an article about it. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}} <span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">15:45: Wed 09 Nov 2011 </span>
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| :Wikipedia is '''not''' a valid source, per [[T:SOURCES]]. Please suspend your editing pattern immediately. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}} <span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">15:56: Wed 09 Nov 2011 </span>
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| ::The best source is the episode or story itself. Also, please remember that you must sign your posts on a user talk page with four tildes, and that you should put new messages under their own section head, like:<pre> == Topic name ==</pre>
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| ::{{user:CzechOut/Sig}} <span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">16:14: Wed 09 Nov 2011 </span>
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| == More tips ==
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| Okay, so I've now looked at every page you've created and am in the process of deleting the lot. I hate to do this to you as you've just started editing with us, but you've fundamentally misunderstood some of our foundational principles.
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| The biggest thing for you to understand is that [[T:NOT WP|we aren't Wikipedia]]. This has a few solid implications.
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| First, this means that you can't just take information from Wikipedia and put it here, except in certain, well-defined situations. Info from wikipedia is simply '''not allowed at all''' on what we call "in-universe" pages, like the ones you were trying to create. If your page is about an element within the [[DWU]] itself — a character, a weapon, a planet, a theoretical construct, whatever — then Wikipedia '''should never be used''' as your source. (Wikipedia is allowed for out-of-universe articles, like those on cast members, but it's '''heavily discouraged''', and you must put a note up indicating that you're basing the article on Wikipedia text.)
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| Second, the fact that we're not Wikipedia means that we have an '''entirely different perspective''' when writing articles. We treat the DWU as "true", but something we're observing from the outside of the universe, from a point when the whole universe no longer exists. This then forces every in-universe article to be written in the past tense. Since Wikipedia articles are written in the present tense, as if the DWU is fictional, you can't just import the text directly. Please see [[T:POV]] and [[T:TENSES]] for more info on this subject.
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| Citation is also done very differently, as you can read at [[T:CITE]]. Basically, though, Wikipedia would allow and encourage language like:
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| :As seen in the ''[[Doctor Who]]'' televised story, ''[[The Parting of the Ways]]'', the [[Ninth Doctor]] [[regenerate]]s to save [[Rose Tyler]]'s life.
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| We would write it entirely differently:
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| :The [[Ninth Doctor]] [[regenerated]] to save [[Rose Tyler|Rose]]'s life. ([[DW]]: ''[[The Parting of the Ways]]'')
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| I've noticed, too, that where you've attempted to use the appropriate prefix — [[DW]] being an example of a prefix — that you've sometimes got it wrong. This is completely understandable as you've just started editing with us. You'll want to review [[T:LOP]] for a current list of all prefixes.
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| I also saw that you created an awful lot of redlinks for story names. There are '''very''' few stories for which we don't have a page. You should generally assume that if you get a redlink while trying to link to a story name that '''you've done something wrong'''. The most likely thing you've done wrong is that you've made a simple spelling error, or that you've got the [[dab|disambiguation]] term wrong. In any case, it should be fairly easy for you to find the correct name, because the software '''autosuggests''' links for you. Just type open brackets — '''[[''' — and the first few letters of an article name, and you should see a column pop up with a list of possibilities. Try it now if you haven't. Type: <pre>[[The A</pre>just to see how many suggestions you get. You can use your up and down arrow keys, or your mouse, to navigate through and select from the list.
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| Please don't take today's mass deletion of your work personally. We just need to ensure that the information added to this database comes from '''the stories themselves''' and not from Wikipedia, which may be inaccurate. For instance, if you were to '''actually watch''' ''[[The Greatest Show in the Galaxy]]'' and confirm that these various planets whose pages you created are indeed mentioned in that [[serial]], then you may certainly recreate the pages (so long as you gave us a ''bit'' more about the context in which they're mentioned).
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| Please keep editing with us, and if you need any help, please do contact either myself or one of the other [[admin]]s. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}} <span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">17:12: Wed 09 Nov 2011 </span>
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| == Please stop ==
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| I see you have just picked up in the alphabet exactly where you left off yesterday. We're in the ''S''s now, apparently. You '''must stop''' this editing behavior. Again, Wikipedia is not a valid source. For example, you say that your source for [[Splendurosa]] is a [[DWS]], but it cant be because there are no Storybooks which feature the Eleventh Doctor. (Oh, I see now you've just changed it to the Tenth Doctor and Donna. Whatever. Don't trust it at all, because it's clear you don't have that story in front of you. If you did, you wouldn't have made that mistake.) And you're again creating articles with the simple language:
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| This isn't enough, and I've specifically said so, above.
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| You also are ''still'' not obeying [[T:ITAL]] or [[T:BOLD TEXT]], and you aren't putting any spaces between the final period of your sentences and your sources. Moreover, you linked to a [[dab|disambiguation]] page, rather than the page for [[Donna Noble]]. (You should assume that common first names are disambiguation pages. Martha doesn't link to Martha Jones, Rose doesn't go to Rose Tyler, and so on.)
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| Here's how your current sentence at Splendurosa should be properly typed:
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| <pre>'''Splendurosa''' was home to a floating coral city, visited by the [[Tenth Doctor]] and [[Donna Noble|Donna]]. ([[DWS]]: ''[[Grand Theft Planet!]]'')</pre>
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| Anyway, I've got to rip up your work again for the second day running because you simply haven't heeded most of the above advice. I do notice a couple of places where you've improved by giving more info, but I honestly think this is just the wikipedia page providing you with more stuff. That said, you are consistently adding categories in today's work, so that's definitely an improvement.
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| I can't delete your work immediately, though, so I'm again going to block you, this time for a few more hours than before. It's really important that you stop editing in this way. Again, Wikipedia and/or reference works are not a valid sources.
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| I'd strongly advise you to just watch, listen or read a DW story, and find some fact that we don't yet have. Then, write the article ''from scratch''. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}} <span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">15:44: Thu 10 Nov 2011 </span>
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| Ok, but for the link to work, the background needs to say "Nerva Beacon". I'll recheck and fix it. [[User:Boblipton|Boblipton]] <sup>[[User talk:Boblipton|talk to me]]</sup> 11:42, November 14, 2011 (UTC)
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| == Do not blank comments from your user page ==
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| Please do not simply delete messages from your user page, as this is a violation of [[T:UVAN]]. You '''may''' [[Help:Archiving talk pages|''archive'' the page]], but you cannot simply delete the comments. Blanking comments from this or any other talk page is a serious offence and can directly lead to you being [[T:BLOCK|blocked]] from further editing. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}} <span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">20:05: Tue 15 Nov 2011 </span>
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| == Present tense and timeline pages ==
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| I again draw your attention to [[T:TENSES]]. Your recent articles about years have been in the present tense, which is not allowed on in-universe pages. '''It is extremely important that you follow this rule''' because we're trying to establish a consistent editorial style across articles. Using past tense on article pages is one of the foundational rules of the wiki, dating back to our first few months of existence.
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| I am also concerned about the quality of your information. You gave ''The Five Doctors'' as the source for a specific year from which Susan was "plucked". The episode gives no such date. Thus, there was no basis for keeping the article.
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| Likewise, you've created two year pages for the events of ''[[The Ark]]''. However, dialogue in that serial clearly establishes that the Doctor is '''approximating'''. Timeline pages must be based upon a '''solid''' reference. Not "about this year" or "around this year" or "possibly this year". But, actually, directly, specifically '''this year'''. These articles, too, will be deleted.
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| Also I notice that you've started using a format for year pages which has been deprecated. Please consider timeline pages like any other in-universe page. They must [[T:LEADS|have a lead]]. And they shouldn't have completely unnecessary sections.
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| '''If you've only go a few lines of information, please consider [[1507]] as a model.'''
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| Finally, please note that you should '''not''' be using any other website or refrence books in the compilation of timeline pages. Timeline websites are '''notoriously''' filled with speculation, some of which isn't particularly obvious at first glance. The '''only''' source you should be using for timeline pages are the '''stories themselves'''. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}} <span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">20:06: Tue 15 Nov 2011 </span>
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| Sorry about the late reply, I went offline not long before you message was sent to me. I think the problem was with wikia as there is no protection over the creation of the page. If the problem still persists, send me the information that you would like to create the page with and we can see if my persmissions allow me to access the page. --[[User:Revanvolatrelundar|Revan]]\[[User_talk:Revanvolatrelundar|Talk]] 15:29, November 16, 2011 (UTC)
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| You might benefit from reading [[forum:ALL EDITORS: please install this in your personal settings]], and following its instruction. This will allow you to see uncreated categories as red links, and therefore alert you when you're adding a non-existent category. The category you're looking for with these 60's movies people is [[:category:Dalek movie production crew]].
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| [[2063]] is prevented from creation because it has been repeatedly created with the content, "2063 is the 100th anniversary of ''Doctor Who''." Starting pages about future years solely on the basis of behind the scenes information is not really allowed, as it would instantly be abused as a way to include spoilers. If you have an in-universe use for 2063 please provide it to either myself or Revan and then we'll create the page. Put another way, there is no software error going on, you (and all users) have been purposefully blocked from creating the page. See [[T:CREATE LOCK]] for more info. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}} <span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">18:38: Wed 16 Nov 2011 </span>
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| :Additionally, please remember to add {{tl|NameSort}} to the bottom of pages of people with first and last names, so that they will be sorted in categories by their last name. Thanks :) {{user:CzechOut/Sig}} <span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">18:41: Wed 16 Nov 2011 </span>
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| I gotta ask the same question here that I asked about your planets editing. What is your source for all these new years pages that you've been creating? You're creating these pages at way too fast a rate to suggest that you're actually ''watching'' the [[serial]]s in question, and it seems unlikely to me that we'd have missed ''this'' many dates on so many classic serials.
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| As I've said before, the '''only''' valid source for information about a year is a story itself. I highly doubt that ''Genesis of the Daleks'', just to give ''one'' example of your recent work, identifies its year as 300 AD. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}} <span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">18:56: Wed 16 Nov 2011 </span>
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| :No, you can't use
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| :*Any reference book
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| :as the sole source of an in-universe article. See, when you put down ([[DW]]: ''[[The Five Doctors (TV story)|The Five Doctors]]'') — for instance — what you're saying is that the bit of information before the citation occurs ''within'' ''The Five Doctors''.
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| :Most of your work so far — on the planet, galaxy and now years pages alike — has included (or been comprised ''entirely'' of) statements with "false" citations. Let's take a look at one:
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| :What this sentence says to our readers is that, within the body of the serial known as ''Genesis of the Daleks'', the year 300 is '''specifically''' mentioned. The problem is that it's not. Nowhere does the Earth year 300 AD get positively referenced in that story. So you've created a page full of misinformation.
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| :I '''implore''' you to please make edits that are '''only''' based upon information that you '''personally''' have verified as existing within a story. You can use reference books to '''point you in the direction''' of certain stories, of course. But at the end of the day '''you ''have'' to check it out'''.
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| :When you say that the source of a statement is a certain story, the source '''must actually be''' that story. Otherwise you're introducing '''false''' information, which is obviously directly contrary to the goals of this website.
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| :Believe me when I tell you that DW reference books are ''often'' wrong. Even when they're not directly wrong, they include material that is '''original to that reference work''', and thus has no basis in any narrative. There is no significant quality control on them. It's not a situation like ''Star Wars'' where there are people paid to try to make the various things published with a ''Star Wars'' logo fit together. Historically the BBC have cared about DW reference books largely only to the extent that they got paid for the use of their copyright. Because DW has no [[starwars:Leland Chee|Leland Chee]], no single person, committe or [[starwars:Holocron continuity database|official database]] bound to "make it all make sense", reference books often contradict each other and the stories they purport to reference.
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| :Thus, I say again, '''please stop editing by simply taking a reference work and copying its contents.'''
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| :{{user:CzechOut/Sig}} <span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">23:47: Wed 16 Nov 2011 </span>
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| {{Please see|Can we disable visual editor please?}} <br> {{user:CzechOut/Sig}} <span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">06:58: Wed 21 Dec 2011 </span>
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