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::::::Agreed, and very well put. I was only thinking about the first half of that, the "fun" part—even casual viewers get the point of Melody's name, and enjoy it, which isn't true of the equally-clever timey-wimey written by people like Marc Platt or Paul Cornell. But you're right about the second half, too: in a universe where Melody is named after herself, a plot about the Doctor discovering and preventing his own future death feels like it fits. That may not matter much to the hardcore fans who care more about _understanding_ that it fits than _feeling_ like it does—which is why he also gives us things like Good Night—but to the casual viewer, it's all that matters. --[[Special:Contributions/70.36.140.233|70.36.140.233]]<sup>[[User talk:70.36.140.233#top|talk to me]]</sup> 01:24, October 6, 2012 (UTC) | ::::::Agreed, and very well put. I was only thinking about the first half of that, the "fun" part—even casual viewers get the point of Melody's name, and enjoy it, which isn't true of the equally-clever timey-wimey written by people like Marc Platt or Paul Cornell. But you're right about the second half, too: in a universe where Melody is named after herself, a plot about the Doctor discovering and preventing his own future death feels like it fits. That may not matter much to the hardcore fans who care more about _understanding_ that it fits than _feeling_ like it does—which is why he also gives us things like Good Night—but to the casual viewer, it's all that matters. --[[Special:Contributions/70.36.140.233|70.36.140.233]]<sup>[[User talk:70.36.140.233#top|talk to me]]</sup> 01:24, October 6, 2012 (UTC) | ||
::::::It's not just the "casual viewer" to whom it matters. Not long ago, although it's been archived now, there was a topic here about the Doctor "murdering" Ganger-Amy at the end of ''The Almost People''. The problem with that event was that, although the narrative logic was there (Ganger-Amy was never an independent entity), the emotional support for the logic was absent, which resulted in many viewers -- not just casual ones -- misunderstanding the situation. The discussion of that topic ended with the conclusion: Logically it's probably OK but it still doesn't feel right. People who start & contribute to discussions here are not what I'd call "casual viewers" -- maybe not the hardest of hardcore but definitely not "casual". How people feel about the Doctor is important, so making sure there's proper emotional support for the narrative logic is almost as important as the logic itself. Episodes misfire if the "feel" is wrong, even when the logic is right. And, for '''all''' of us, the logic's much easier to grasp if it's presented well than it it isn't. (I'm usually 89, sometimes 2, but I seem to be 78 again, this time.) --[[Special:Contributions/78.146.187.111|78.146.187.111]]<sup>[[User talk:78.146.187.111#top|talk to me]]</sup> 10:34, October 6, 2012 (UTC) | |||