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::'''Doctor:''' "I thought the Old God was Grandfather, but it wasn't. It was just Grandfather's alarm clock." | ::'''Doctor:''' "I thought the Old God was Grandfather, but it wasn't. It was just Grandfather's alarm clock." | ||
:So Grandfather is the alarm clock for the Old God. The Doctor also says this after he realized his "semantics mixup", so who he thinks is who should be accurate. Akhaten was repeatedly referred to as the Old God (and by the Doctor himself two lines later when Clara asks who the "Old God" is). The Doctor points to the mummy when he says "Grandfather" in that bit of dialogue as well. I've also discussed this [[Thread:127236#42|here]] and [[Talk:Akhaten|here]], if you want to see me expalin it elsewhere. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 12:22, April 20, 2013 (UTC) | :So Grandfather is the alarm clock for the Old God. The Doctor also says this after he realized his "semantics mixup", so who he thinks is who should be accurate. Akhaten was repeatedly referred to as the Old God (and by the Doctor himself two lines later when Clara asks who the "Old God" is). The Doctor points to the mummy when he says "Grandfather" in that bit of dialogue as well. I've also discussed this [[Thread:127236#42|here]] and [[Talk:Akhaten|here]], if you want to see me expalin it elsewhere. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 12:22, April 20, 2013 (UTC) | ||
:Okay, so, Akhaten (the "Old God") was the one who woke up the sleeping Mummy ("Grandfather") when he felt like having a main course of the Queen of Years, right? The Doctor says that the Mummy was waking because it was his time to wake ("his time" being decided by Akhaten from behind the scenes, probably). But the Mummy shattered the glass, then seemed to cause the beam of light to shoot from the pyramid to Akhaten, which seemed to wake him, and then the Mummy collapsed. If Akhaten was already awake to wake up the Mummy, what purpose was there for the beam of light? Is it possible that it was some sort of energy transfer that let Akhaten, who was already "awake", gain the power to fully "arise" and take the other planets by force, and that the beam was made of the psychic memory energy that the Mummy had gathered from the eons of offerings? | |||
:But then the chanting robed guy in the Mummy's chamber was pleading for the "Old God" not to wake up...and then Merry Gejelh says the Vigil will feed her to "Grandfather", then they lead her to the Mummy...so...maybe even some of the people of the 7 planets got confused about the Mummy/Akhaten being the Old God/Grandfather, or maybe none of them even knew there was a difference. Everyone seemed surprised when the planet grew an angry face. Maybe there was no difference, and both names could be used interchangeably, or the peoples of the 7 planets came up with both names not knowing there were two individuals, and the Doctor did his best to assign them given the knowledge he had after he realized there were two. In any case, the expression on the Doctor's face indicates he realized his "mixup" and that there was a second player when he said that the Vigil left because "Grandfather" was awake, which was just after the beam of light and well after the Mummy woke up, so...whatever that indicates. (Or maybe the scriptwriter or actors got the names mixed up, or the writer decided it made no difference which name was applied to which entity. Who knows?) | |||
:I was less confused before I wrote this. —[[User:BioniclesaurKing4t2|BioniclesaurKing4t2]] - [[User talk:BioniclesaurKing4t2|"Hello, I'm the Doctor.]] [[Special:Contributions/BioniclesaurKing4t2|Basically, . . . ''run''."]] 23:58, April 28, 2013 (UTC) |
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Alarm Clock
The page says Akhaten was the "alarm clock" for the Mummy, but I thought that it was the Mummy who was the "alarm clock" for Akhaten. The way I saw it in the episode: When it became time for the Queen of Years to be sacrificed (a unique and unexpected situation breaking the pattern of singing the song to keep the Mummy, thought to be the "Old God" at least by the Doctor, asleep), the Mummy would awaken and snatch her, with the help of the Vigil if needed. When that didn't work, the Mummy awoke Akhaten, revealing who the "real" Old God was. Through the Mummy, Akhaten had and would absorb the memories of objects, letting him gain power and stay asleep, but the Mummy would wake him up if, at the appointed time, the Queen of Years couldn't be sacrificed, letting Akhaten use his backup plan of going after the Universe on his own. At least that's what I thought happened. —BioniclesaurKing4t2 - "Hello, I'm the Doctor. Basically, . . . run." 17:50, April 17, 2013 (UTC)
- Well, the main problem with that interpretation is this quote:
- Doctor: "I thought the Old God was Grandfather, but it wasn't. It was just Grandfather's alarm clock."
- So Grandfather is the alarm clock for the Old God. The Doctor also says this after he realized his "semantics mixup", so who he thinks is who should be accurate. Akhaten was repeatedly referred to as the Old God (and by the Doctor himself two lines later when Clara asks who the "Old God" is). The Doctor points to the mummy when he says "Grandfather" in that bit of dialogue as well. I've also discussed this here and here, if you want to see me expalin it elsewhere. --SnorlaxMonster 12:22, April 20, 2013 (UTC)
- Okay, so, Akhaten (the "Old God") was the one who woke up the sleeping Mummy ("Grandfather") when he felt like having a main course of the Queen of Years, right? The Doctor says that the Mummy was waking because it was his time to wake ("his time" being decided by Akhaten from behind the scenes, probably). But the Mummy shattered the glass, then seemed to cause the beam of light to shoot from the pyramid to Akhaten, which seemed to wake him, and then the Mummy collapsed. If Akhaten was already awake to wake up the Mummy, what purpose was there for the beam of light? Is it possible that it was some sort of energy transfer that let Akhaten, who was already "awake", gain the power to fully "arise" and take the other planets by force, and that the beam was made of the psychic memory energy that the Mummy had gathered from the eons of offerings?
- But then the chanting robed guy in the Mummy's chamber was pleading for the "Old God" not to wake up...and then Merry Gejelh says the Vigil will feed her to "Grandfather", then they lead her to the Mummy...so...maybe even some of the people of the 7 planets got confused about the Mummy/Akhaten being the Old God/Grandfather, or maybe none of them even knew there was a difference. Everyone seemed surprised when the planet grew an angry face. Maybe there was no difference, and both names could be used interchangeably, or the peoples of the 7 planets came up with both names not knowing there were two individuals, and the Doctor did his best to assign them given the knowledge he had after he realized there were two. In any case, the expression on the Doctor's face indicates he realized his "mixup" and that there was a second player when he said that the Vigil left because "Grandfather" was awake, which was just after the beam of light and well after the Mummy woke up, so...whatever that indicates. (Or maybe the scriptwriter or actors got the names mixed up, or the writer decided it made no difference which name was applied to which entity. Who knows?)
- I was less confused before I wrote this. —BioniclesaurKing4t2 - "Hello, I'm the Doctor. Basically, . . . run." 23:58, April 28, 2013 (UTC)