Talk:Time Lord

Time Lords a race?

Are the Time Lords a race, cause some sources e.g. REF: Doctor Who: The Encyclopedia says that they are but various sources mentioning before the Time War e.g. DW: The Invasion of Time seem to suggest that they are more of a society? Which of it is it to be? Or is it not certain?

Also is under the Infobox Race category is a Female Time Lord called a Time Lady because humans are sometimes called Man and a male human is also called a man but women is not a species name so is Time Lady? --Skittles the hog 19:37, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Ugh, not this again. Seems like this is EVERYWHERE on the net. Here are my remarks from the talk page on the main Wikipedia article about Time Lords:

I have never understood this claim. What is it about The Deadly Assassin and The Invasion of Time that makes people think that all Gallifreyans aren't Time Lords? I think the article would benefit of some very specific quotations from the script and critical sources to clear this up. The most I've ever come away with from these two Fourth Doctor serials is that the chapters represent socio-political strata in Time Lord society, not that you have to be part of one of these houses to be a Time Lord. Indeed the group living outside the Citadel in Invasion are specifically said to be TIme Lords, not mere Gallifreyans. This rather firmly attests that Time Lords are not just "the ones in the high collars", nor do they all belong to one of the "Chapters". It's rather like Harry Potter. You can be a witch and not a student at Hogwarts. LIkewise you can be a Time Lord and not a member of a Chapter. In both these serials we're simply seeing the Time Lords in the middle of political crises, so you get a disproportionate view of the electoral college, as it were.

Given that there are specific mentions of "Time Lord physiology" throughout the series, Time Lords are at least a race (in the sense of species). But the new series has been extremely helpful in positively asserting that the Time Lords are indeed a race. Mr. Finch positively identifies the Doctor as "a Time Lord" (not Gallifreyan) and says in School Reunion, "And what of the Time Lords? I always thought of you as such a pompous race." Likewise, Jabe in "The End of the World" is clearly looking for identification of the Doctor's species when her little "Blackberry" tells her the Doctor is a Time Lord. There really can be no doubt that the Time Lords are a race, and this article needs to reflect that.

As for the possibility that there are multiple species on Gallifrey, well, I think the article needs to give us a lot more than just "it is heavily implied". Where in Invasion or Assassin or Trial is it implied? How is it implied? Does it just come down to the fact that some of the Time Lord characters in Assassin die without regenerating? Cause if so, the threat of a non-regenerative death has been cited as a possibility at least as far back as Castrovalva, confirmed as possible in The Caves of Androzani, and was definitively shown as an option in "Last of the Time Lords". The Master clearly had the knowledge to suspend the Doctor's regenerative process in "Last", and so logically could have employed it in Assassin. Thus, the fact that "Gallifreyans" actually died in Assassin doesn't mean they weren't Time Lords. In fact, if you think about it, Time Lord police couldn't have just ordinary guns. They would have to have weapons which suspended regeneration; otherwise, shooting someone wouldn't be an effective deterrent. CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 03:18, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Topics for separate articles

this could use splitting up, due to the volume of information.

• Time Lord history
  • Dark Times/time of Rassilon
  • the Doctor's time
  • Time War (already have this article)

• Time Lord government/politics
• Time Lord physiology
• Time Lord culture
• Time Lord appearances in various media

--***Stardizzy*** 18:43, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

So much for the race the writers wanted to make so mysterious... anyway, I agree, but culture, government/politics and physiology could all be merged with Gallifreyan, which is currently lacking, although it is not always clear which parts of them apply to all Gallifreyans and which just to the elites. ~ Ghelæ -talk-contribs 18:46, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Template

i've added a species template into the article, but i have left blank some parts that need filling in (as i dno't know the answeres) --Si 11:47, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Actually, Time Lords aren't the species - that's the Gallifreyans - instead, they're more of a rank like a king or a politician. ~ Ghelæ -talk-contribs 12:11, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Time Lords as a God analogy?

It's obvious that at least some of the time they do the Time Lords up as gods of the universe, but is it the overall intention? The excuse used for Near-Humans (Namely: Time Lords evolved early, and other races evolved to be similar) is very much a "Created in His Image" type thing, and the "Protector of the Universe" combined with Destroyer of Races puts the Doctor, as the last time lord, in a sort of godlike mediator position. However, The Satan Pit seems to suggest that there are greater powers in Heaven and Earth than are dreamed of in even his philosophy. In short, my question is this: Is The Doctor, and by extension, are the Time Lords, intended to be seen as god, gods, or the closest thing we're going to get to gods? Or are they just another race, but really really smart? 24.205.50.170 03:49, 6 September 2008 (UTC)