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| i don't really see the logical reason for saying that the cybermen are mutants, the daleks themselves are mutants in power armour, but the cybermen are just normal humans that have replaced most of their bodies with mechanical parts, nothing biological for mutation, except if you count the emotional inhibitor [[User:Sclera1|Sclera1]] 08:57, November 11, 2009 (UTC)
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| :They aren't. There wasn't any mutation involved, maybe some modification at best. I'm just removing the category. -<[[User:Azes13|Azes13]] 02:39, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
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| thank you =)[[User:Sclera1|Sclera1]] 04:14, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
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| Judging by this picture there will be more than one cybermen in series 5 also the one in frount is the leader because of his black handles [http://doctorwhotv.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/Doctor-Who-Series-5-Coming-Soon-Trailer-107.jpg]
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| im not sure if Cyber Control was an individual [[User:Sclera1|Sclera1]] 05:03, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
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| ==Gold==
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| Currently the page says that a tie-in Cybus Industries website says that early prototypes of these Cybermen could be damaged by gold. COuld anyone provide a link to this or where a reference of this can be found? If it isn't true, it should be deleted. --[[User:Samoth|Samoth]] 13:56, June 21, 2010 (UTC)
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| In the episode "the pandorica opens" the cyber gardian was a different type of cyberman. This is becuause "pete's" cybermen do not take the full head of the human rather they take out the brain as seen in cyber controller, cyber lord. this cyber unit only decapitated humans and stole the heads. maybe it meant that this particular unit did this to survive for longer periods of time and protect the pandorica - J.D September 2010 (uk)
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| *No. It had the Cybus logo. It was a Cyberman from Pete's world. [[User:The Thirteenth Doctor|The Thirteenth Doctor]] 14:47, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
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| prehaps it was a new variant of the standard cybus model???
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| **It could be Cybus even if it used more of the body than just the brain. Lisa from Cyberwoman was a Cybus Cyberman even though large parts of the human body remained and it was stated that some (Cybus) Cybermen were made like this when they were in a rush/low on resources. The Pandorica one could be one of these. [[Special:Contributions/182.239.194.162|182.239.194.162]]<sup>[[User talk:182.239.194.162#top|talk to me]]</sup> 16:24, June 30, 2012 (UTC)
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| I think this becuase it could also fire darts from its mouth and when john lumic talks to the president he only refers to the human brain being preserved. also on john lumics zeplin he had a protype cyber suit which also did not need a human brain to move ect.
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| - J.D september 2010 (uk)
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| ***Moffat has said that the Cybermen in Pandorica were supposed to be Mondasian not Cybus Cybermen - the logo was left in for budget purposes. - Beardo
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| ==New varient==
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| Should the cyber-sentry get it's own page? It seems to be a new varient.
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| == Two out of 32 killed ==
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| [[file:Cybermen.PNG|250px]]
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| Look at this screenshot from Doomsday. If you look closely, you will see that out of this group of 32 Cybermen, only two have been killed. Despite the fact that ''millions'' Daleks have been blasting at them mercilessly for a few minutes. This obviously means that the Cybermen have regained some sort of advantage. I tried to add this but [[User:Skittles the hog]] blocked me. I asked him why he did this and he said this was 'obviously not the case' despite the fact that it was in the episode.--[[User:Dalekcaan14|Dalekcaan14]] 09:16, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
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| == Cyberman dispute ==
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| [[file:Cybermen.PNG|thumb|left|Cybermen at the end of the Battle of Canary Wharf]]
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| This image is from when the [[Cyberman (Pete's World)|Cybermen]] were alled back to Torchwood Tower. A retreat. There is '''no''' way this picture show the Cybermen at an advantage. That would be like looking at a picture from the Sound of Drums and saying "The Master must like suits because he is wearing one". YOu cannot base evidence from a screenshot or any other image for that matter, unless it was stated in the episode "They Cybermen have an advantage now!". The episode clearly says they were retreating, so they were not winning. [[User:Mini-mitch|Mini-mitch]]\[[User talk:Mini-mitch|talk]] 12:17, April 22, 2011 (UTC)
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| They didn't even kill a Dalek in the episode from what I remember, so they can't of been winning at any point. --[[User:Revanvolatrelundar|Revan]]\[[User_talk:Revanvolatrelundar|Talk]] 12:20, April 22, 2011 (UTC)
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| Actually, the picture is shown seconds before they were sucked back to the Void. Usually, if you have 32 soldiers, armed with weapons that cannot harm your opponent, and your opponent has millions of soldiers that can kill yours with a single shot, your army would be killed in seconds, so why did I see those Cybermen with only two down despite having been blasted at by Daleks. If most of them survived that than they are obviously at an advantage.--[[User:Dalekcaan14|Dalekcaan14]] 05:34, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
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| No, the Daleks were still being freed from the Genesis Ark. If you remember, the Cybermen had millions of troops as well, and far more than 32 of these were in London. As for the above mentioned block, you had repeatedly added this false information. Lets take a look: {{quote|Despite the fact that millions Daleks have been blasting at them mercilessly for a few minutes|Dalekcaan14}}
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| No they hadn't. The Daleks were only just starting to fly over. Their is no indication of time, and the Daleks had plenty of other targets to attend to; i.e. the population of London and the other Cybermen groups.
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| {{quote|If most of them survived that than they are obviously at an advantage.|Dalekcaan14}}
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| No. Lets take a look at history. Did the Africans win the [[wikipedia:Siege of Ladysmith|Siege of Ladysmith]]? Or did the United States win the [[wikipedia:Battle of Chancellorsville|Battle of Chancellorsville]]? No, and they didn't have anything I'd call a battle-winning advantage. Your continuation to add this point counts as vandalism as it is false information. I can't see a way to make that more clear to you. Thanks ----[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small> 08:10, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
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| But Skittles, as The Doctor and Co were talking on the top floor, you could see Dalek Blasts being shot down at the Cybermen below, and there is a reason why it was called 'the battle of canary wharf'. OK, There probably WERE Daleks going to other parts of London. But the group that were battling the Cybermen at Torchwood Tower still vastly outnumbered them, and even if they didn't they had far superior weapons and technology. So why haven't they killed ALL the Cybermen there? Before reverting my edits again, please consider this and reply.
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| :[[User:Dalekcaan14]], if you re add this it will be classed a violating the editing war policy. And you will be blocked. Those Cybermen were in a house, and a few scenes early when they called a '''retreat''' you see them all emerging from the houses, so the Daleks could not have seen them. Never, ever assume something based on a photo which is exactly what you're doing. It is speculation, which has '''no''' place on this wiki. [[User:Mini-mitch|Mini-mitch]]\[[User talk:Mini-mitch|talk]] 18:28, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
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| I think I've been fair enough and explained to a great extent why you are wrong. Please don't re-add it as that's vandalism.----[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small> 18:30,
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| April 23, 2011 (UTC)
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| Mini-Mitch, how could the Daleks not have seen them when the Cybermen started shooting at them as soon as they disembarked from the geneses ark. That's a pretty bad retreat. And Skittles, I have also explained why YOU are wrong. Since we all disagree, I will be talking to [[User:CzechOut]] to see what he has to say.--[[User:Dalekcaan14|Dalekcaan14]] 18:37, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
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| :Do you know that '''retreat mean not winning'''? They were in different houses on the same street. You see them walk out. They were retreating to Torchwood Tower on the request on the Cyberleader. They were loosing. Skittles is not wrong here, you are. Taking this to [[User:CzechOut]] will solve nothing. [[User:Mini-mitch|Mini-mitch]]\[[User talk:Mini-mitch|talk]] 18:43, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
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| At no point did the Cybermen have an advantage. What do you hope to gain by asking another user? Do you think they'll say "okay Mr caan, you are right. The television must be unable to process the moments were the 32 won the [[battle of Canary Wharf]]." Come on.----[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small> 18:47, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
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| Mitch, you do realise that the group I was referring to was the group that started firing at the Daleks as soon as they came out from the Geneses Ark, that's a pretty stupid way to retreat. Also, the Cyberleader ordered them to CONVERGE on the Torchwood tower, He did not call a retreat until later. And skittles, I didn't say that they WON the battle, I just said that they had an advantage because pretty much all the odds were against them yet nearly all of them survived. I will not be editing the article again, but I will continue to discuss this on this page. And by the way, when I said I will talk to Czech, I simply meant that I would like to get him involved in this discussion--[[User:Dalekcaan14|Dalekcaan14]] 18:57, April 23, 2011 (UTC).
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| == The Pandorica ==
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| Aren't the CM in this story the real ones? It's somewhere on this site that they are the producers just couldn't be bothered to take the c off there chests. {{SUBST:User:Kingofall42/SigReal|{{SUBST:{''Predated ''}}}}. 19:55, May 29, 2011 (UTC)
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| == Title ==
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| Should we call it Cybermen (Parralel Earth)? Because that is it's official name, and 'Pete's World' was just the name given by the [[Tenth Doctor]]. [[User:Cortion|Cortion]] 08:31, June 1, 2011 (UTC)
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| There are many parrallel Earths, so that name wouldn't be specific, and "Pete's World" is the most official name we have for that universe.[[User:Icecreamdif|Icecreamdif]] 02:16, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
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| The cybermen from [[The Pandorica Opens]], [[The Big Bang]], [[Blood of the Cybermen]], and [[A Good Man Goes to War]] are they cybusmen or origional ones?''
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| : The Cybermen from [[The Pandorica Opens (TV story)|''The Pandorica Opens'']] are the Cybus Cybermen - clearly. ''Blood of the Cybermen'' and ''A Good Man Goes to War'', where the Cybermen are concerned, are as of yet unknown.[[Special:Contributions/90.200.188.49|90.200.188.49]] 18:30, June 27, 2011 (UTC)
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| :: In-universe, the Pandorica Cybermen are supposed to be native Mondasian. Behind the scenes, they appear to be Cybus purely because no changes were made to the costumes' chests beforehand. [[User:ProtoKun7|ProtoKun7]] <sup>[[User talk:ProtoKun7|talk to me]]</sup> 18:34, June 1, 2012 (UTC)
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| == Joint Cybermen or Cybus Cybermen ==
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| In The Pandorica Opens Cybermen are seen twice and Cyberships are seen. The ships and the fact that the first Cyberman we saw as a guard had new features unseen to Cybus Cybermen before, along with a whole skull, proves this is a new variant of Cybermen even though they have Cybus Logos. Moffat has stated it before and evidence backs up the idea that after The Next Doctor a second group survived and joined with an unknown group of Mondas Cybermen forming a new variant of Joint Cybermen as seen, in an early form, in PO. These Cybermen choose to use Mondas tech with Cybus armor, but didnt get rid of the Cybus logo till later on in there timeline.
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| == Yvonne Hartman ==
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| In Doomsday Yvonne resisted conversion, which is noted on her page. Should she be added to the hierarchy of Cyberman? It's possible she wasn't the only Cyberman who resisted in such a way. At the same time it might be worth adding somewhere that Cyberman have the capacity to cry oil, as Yvonne does. [[User:Tankingmage|Tankingmage]] [[User talk:Tankingmage|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 05:12, November 6, 2013 (UTC)
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| ==Does Anyone Know?==
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| The non-narrative source: Doctor Who: The Visual Dictionary claims that a Cyberman's particle beam gun can kill a human target with electromagnetic pulses. In the paragraph below it, it says it fires fatal electrons beams. So explain, which one is right... It's confusing you when you think about it...
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| Questions... questions... questions.... [[User:SniperKing1|SniperKing1]] [[User talk:SniperKing1|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:32, October 11, 2014 (UTC)
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| :Does the second one have a source? [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:39, October 11, 2014 (UTC)
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| ::What do you mean, "the second one"? The only source of this information is Doctor Who: The Visual Dictionary. Does this help or was it something else you wanted to know? [[User:SniperKing1|SniperKing1]] [[User talk:SniperKing1|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:12, October 12, 2014 (UTC)
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