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So the sixth Doctor has regenerated twice now! In August Big Finish went down the route of DWM and decided that their continuity is above all other "spin-off" continuities and killed a main character. At the end of ''Spiral Scratch'' the Doctor (along with every other possible doctor) sacrifices all his chronon energy to stop Monica Lamprey from freezing the entire multiverse, as he and Mel leave he grows weak and hits his head on the console as they plummet towards Lakertya (which is conveniently next door to the Library of Carsus). In ''The Brink Of Death'' however, he dies when he tells his quite healthy past self to die (who is also conveniently closes to Lakertya) because his survival would let the Valeyard take over Gallifrey. There is no way to reconcile these two stories into the timeline (If I were Gary Russel, I would just accept them as being 2 separate universes, except ''Spiral Scratch'' shows every other possible Doctor either regenerating or dying), leading to my theory: ''Instruments of Darkness'' and ''Spiral Scratch'' take place in the Doctor's original timeline, but all other stories take place after the Valeyard interferes with history, starting with ''Trial of a Time Lord''. In ''Spiral Scratch'' and ''Instruments of Darkness'' the closest thing to a mention of the Valeyard is when Mel talks about Peri dying, but even then it is not elaborated on. My "Original Timeline" would go like this: The 1-5th Doctor's lives are exactly the same (Except ''Day of the Doctor'' and other multi-doctor stories involving new who doctors). Peri Brown dies in an unknown manner (without his trial the Doctor could have reached her before her mind was transferred). Without the fear of becoming the Valeyard the Doctor does not become kinder and recklessly abandons Evelyn Smythe in the 90s (showing no respect for the laws of time). After this he leads a somewhat similar life to our Doctor, except he regenerates in ''Spiral Scratch'' (At the very least he travels with Charley Pollard), until the Time War (The Time War involving Daleks) or rather until there wasn't a Time War! ''Trial of the Valeyard'' shows that Gallifrey is still around when the Valeyard is created (The specific story we are told is revealed to be a lie, but it was a lie based in truth) . While our Doctor was granted more regenerations because he was the last time lord in the universe, this Doctor is not so annoyingly special and resorts to experiments in regeneration to survive, the Valeyard is created from this. He then travels backwards in time lord history and attempts to steal the sixth Doctor's regenerations, changing history! In one their next encounters he attempts nudge the Doctor in the direction towards becoming the Valeyard, possibly because he realizes his has essentially erased himself from history (''Trial of the Valeyard''). Skipping over some other things we reach the sixth Doctor's regeneration: The reason that Monica Lamprey escaped from the Spiral was because of a scientist in the 20th century in the prime universe, the Valeyard could easily have killed him before he released the Lampreys, because 1. He despised the idea of his past self "wasting a regeneration" or 2. he wanted threats to reality out of the way for his masterplan. This is my reasoning behind how the Sixth Doctor can have 2 regeneration stories. | So the sixth Doctor has regenerated twice now! In August Big Finish went down the route of DWM and decided that their continuity is above all other "spin-off" continuities and killed a main character. At the end of ''Spiral Scratch'' the Doctor (along with every other possible doctor) sacrifices all his chronon energy to stop Monica Lamprey from freezing the entire multiverse, as he and Mel leave he grows weak and hits his head on the console as they plummet towards Lakertya (which is conveniently next door to the Library of Carsus). In ''The Brink Of Death'' however, he dies when he tells his quite healthy past self to die (who is also conveniently closes to Lakertya) because his survival would let the Valeyard take over Gallifrey. There is no way to reconcile these two stories into the timeline (If I were Gary Russel, I would just accept them as being 2 separate universes, except ''Spiral Scratch'' shows every other possible Doctor either regenerating or dying), leading to my theory: ''Instruments of Darkness'' and ''Spiral Scratch'' take place in the Doctor's original timeline, but all other stories take place after the Valeyard interferes with history, starting with ''Trial of a Time Lord''. In ''Spiral Scratch'' and ''Instruments of Darkness'' the closest thing to a mention of the Valeyard is when Mel talks about Peri dying, but even then it is not elaborated on. My "Original Timeline" would go like this: The 1-5th Doctor's lives are exactly the same (Except ''Day of the Doctor'' and other multi-doctor stories involving new who doctors). Peri Brown dies in an unknown manner (without his trial the Doctor could have reached her before her mind was transferred). Without the fear of becoming the Valeyard the Doctor does not become kinder and recklessly abandons Evelyn Smythe in the 90s (showing no respect for the laws of time). After this he leads a somewhat similar life to our Doctor, except he regenerates in ''Spiral Scratch'' (At the very least he travels with Charley Pollard), until the Time War (The Time War involving Daleks) or rather until there wasn't a Time War! ''Trial of the Valeyard'' shows that Gallifrey is still around when the Valeyard is created (The specific story we are told is revealed to be a lie, but it was a lie based in truth) . While our Doctor was granted more regenerations because he was the last time lord in the universe, this Doctor is not so annoyingly special and resorts to experiments in regeneration to survive, the Valeyard is created from this. He then travels backwards in time lord history and attempts to steal the sixth Doctor's regenerations, changing history! In one their next encounters he attempts nudge the Doctor in the direction towards becoming the Valeyard, possibly because he realizes his has essentially erased himself from history (''Trial of the Valeyard''). Skipping over some other things we reach the sixth Doctor's regeneration: The reason that Monica Lamprey escaped from the Spiral was because of a scientist in the 20th century in the prime universe, the Valeyard could easily have killed him before he released the Lampreys, because 1. He despised the idea of his past self "wasting a regeneration" or 2. he wanted threats to reality out of the way for his masterplan. This is my reasoning behind how the Sixth Doctor can have 2 regeneration stories. |
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So the sixth Doctor has regenerated twice now! In August Big Finish went down the route of DWM and decided that their continuity is above all other "spin-off" continuities and killed a main character. At the end of Spiral Scratch the Doctor (along with every other possible doctor) sacrifices all his chronon energy to stop Monica Lamprey from freezing the entire multiverse, as he and Mel leave he grows weak and hits his head on the console as they plummet towards Lakertya (which is conveniently next door to the Library of Carsus). In The Brink Of Death however, he dies when he tells his quite healthy past self to die (who is also conveniently closes to Lakertya) because his survival would let the Valeyard take over Gallifrey. There is no way to reconcile these two stories into the timeline (If I were Gary Russel, I would just accept them as being 2 separate universes, except Spiral Scratch shows every other possible Doctor either regenerating or dying), leading to my theory: Instruments of Darkness and Spiral Scratch take place in the Doctor's original timeline, but all other stories take place after the Valeyard interferes with history, starting with Trial of a Time Lord. In Spiral Scratch and Instruments of Darkness the closest thing to a mention of the Valeyard is when Mel talks about Peri dying, but even then it is not elaborated on. My "Original Timeline" would go like this: The 1-5th Doctor's lives are exactly the same (Except Day of the Doctor and other multi-doctor stories involving new who doctors). Peri Brown dies in an unknown manner (without his trial the Doctor could have reached her before her mind was transferred). Without the fear of becoming the Valeyard the Doctor does not become kinder and recklessly abandons Evelyn Smythe in the 90s (showing no respect for the laws of time). After this he leads a somewhat similar life to our Doctor, except he regenerates in Spiral Scratch (At the very least he travels with Charley Pollard), until the Time War (The Time War involving Daleks) or rather until there wasn't a Time War! Trial of the Valeyard shows that Gallifrey is still around when the Valeyard is created (The specific story we are told is revealed to be a lie, but it was a lie based in truth) . While our Doctor was granted more regenerations because he was the last time lord in the universe, this Doctor is not so annoyingly special and resorts to experiments in regeneration to survive, the Valeyard is created from this. He then travels backwards in time lord history and attempts to steal the sixth Doctor's regenerations, changing history! In one their next encounters he attempts nudge the Doctor in the direction towards becoming the Valeyard, possibly because he realizes his has essentially erased himself from history (Trial of the Valeyard). Skipping over some other things we reach the sixth Doctor's regeneration: The reason that Monica Lamprey escaped from the Spiral was because of a scientist in the 20th century in the prime universe, the Valeyard could easily have killed him before he released the Lampreys, because 1. He despised the idea of his past self "wasting a regeneration" or 2. he wanted threats to reality out of the way for his masterplan. This is my reasoning behind how the Sixth Doctor can have 2 regeneration stories.
- NOTE: The Tommorrow Windows shows the Valeyard as the Doctor's final incarnation, but it also shows the Rowan Atkinson one so...I guess that makes it half-canon! :p
--TheChampionOfTime ☎ 22:53, December 4, 2015 (UTC)User:TheChampionOfTime
- This is a little overcomplicated. The Valeyard's involvement in his past life is by definition a causal intervention, changing time. Therefore there was a timeline before The Last Adventure, in which the Sixth Doctor regenerated at some point. The Valeyard changed things, indirectly resulting in Six regenerating ahead of schedule, thus circumventing his original regeneration (Spiral Scratch). The Brink of Death isn't a Ground Zero-style contradiction, it's a reconciliation between Spiral Scratch and Love and War. The Doctor is essentially "killed" by his own future, and then goes through combined regenerative and induced amnesia in Time and the Rani, leaving him believing (rightfully so) that he killed his predecessor, but ascribing the wrong motivations to the act.Fwhiffahder ☎ 02:40, January 13, 2016 (UTC)