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Meanwhile, for the benefit of new users, the governing policies by which this will be decided are [[Tardis:Disambiguation]], including specifically [[Tardis:Disambiguation#Primary topics]]. Relevant debates on a similar case happened at [[Talk: Brian Williams (Dinosaurs on a Spaceship)/Archive 1]]. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 08:15, January 31, 2019 (UTC) | Meanwhile, for the benefit of new users, the governing policies by which this will be decided are [[Tardis:Disambiguation]], including specifically [[Tardis:Disambiguation#Primary topics]]. Relevant debates on a similar case happened at [[Talk: Brian Williams (Dinosaurs on a Spaceship)/Archive 1]]. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 08:15, January 31, 2019 (UTC) | ||
:I'm gonna go ahead and remove the renaming template on the page. The companion from series 11 is the primary in-universe topic by this name — precisely the kind of case for which [[Tardis:Disambiguation#Primary topics]] was written. | |||
:Remember, the primary use of a dab term — as is said throughout [[T:DAB]] — is to distinguish between in-universe and out-of-universe subjects. With '''in-universe topics of the same name''', ''first'' you should try to see if there's a primary topic, ''and then'' you move on to dab terms if there's no clear choice to make on that score. [[Yasmin Khan (Fallout)]] — if that's even the right way to spell her name — is in no way comparable in stature to the S11 main character. Moreover, the ''Fallout'' character doesn't have a range of subsidiary articles, like [[Yasmin Khan's cousin]], [[Yasmin Khan's grandfather]] and [[Yasmin Khan - list of appearances]]. | |||
:For minimum confusion to the widest range of readers, this article needs to stay at '''Yasmin Khan'''. If and when the other article gets written, it gets the story dab term. That'll make it super apparent in a search drop-down that one is the major character, and the other is an incidental character in a single story. | |||
:Finally, we want people to find this main article from Google searches. Unfortunately, this is an especially challenging page for Google, because there are famous '''real people''' named Yasmin Khan, all of which knock us way down the list for searches on just "Yasmin Khan". Luckily, "Yasmin Khan Doctor Who" gives us the second-best result in Google. A name change would weaken our position further without resulting in anything that's clearer to casual fans. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 21:38: Tue 26 Feb 2019</span> |
Revision as of 21:38, 26 February 2019
How can she have attended high school in 2008 if she's supposed to have gone to school with Ryan and he's supposed to be 19? JagoAndLitefoot ☎ 18:09, October 30, 2018 (UTC)
- Of course, there is nothing we can do with this if it is stated in-universe (I can provide the exact quote if you're interested). But let's try to crack this. So, according to Education in England#Schools and stages (let UK people correct this if it's wrong), primary school is up to 11 years of age, while high school begins at 11. Yaz and Ryan went to Redlands Primary school together. Since Ryan was born in 1999, ten years ago he was 8-9 years old, which fits the primary-school age. This does seem to imply that Yaz is approximately two years older than Ryan, if she was already starting high-school around 2008, but this is also not very surprising to me. She does behave more mature. Amorkuz ☎ 18:31, October 30, 2018 (UTC)
Demons of the Punjab
Can we be sure that the Doctor returned Yaz home for the first scene? I for one interpreted it as being a flashback. -- Saxon 15:23, November 21, 2018 (UTC)
Rename
To provide more details, while the spelling of the first name of Yasmin from Fallout can be found on the CD, her last name, to the best of my knowledge, has no official spelling and is currently recorded as "Kahn" phonetically, based on the pronunciation in the story. However, the story's context, namely that other Yasmin's family also being from the Punjab region, strongly suggests the spelling "Khan" as more appropriate. Amorkuz ☎ 10:21, January 30, 2019 (UTC)
Why not rename this page "Yaz Khan", as that is how she is often addressed.BananaClownMan ☎ 10:24, January 30, 2019 (UTC)
- Has "Yaz Khan" ever been used? I've heard "Yasmin Khan" and "Yaz", but never that combination of the two. This does leave Yaz as a possible alternate: it's already a redirect, no one else on the wiki (that I know of (by no means definite)) is specifically named "Yaz", and there's precedent in Ace. But I'm not sure this scenario is remotely comparable to Ace, and frankly, I'm not sure that page name would even stand up to scrutiny under current naming habits. A simple dab term seems to be the best solution here. – N8 ☎ 22:05, January 30, 2019 (UTC)
- Yeah, I'm not so sold on renaming the page "Yaz". While there would be precedent in Ace and Hex, these are far from being common nicknames, which "Yaz" totally sounds, in comparison. For example, Melanie Bush is almost always referred to as "Mel", but that's just too common to be the page name. OncomingStorm12th ☎ 22:29, January 30, 2019 (UTC)
Meanwhile, for the benefit of new users, the governing policies by which this will be decided are Tardis:Disambiguation, including specifically Tardis:Disambiguation#Primary topics. Relevant debates on a similar case happened at Talk: Brian Williams (Dinosaurs on a Spaceship)/Archive 1. Amorkuz ☎ 08:15, January 31, 2019 (UTC)
- I'm gonna go ahead and remove the renaming template on the page. The companion from series 11 is the primary in-universe topic by this name — precisely the kind of case for which Tardis:Disambiguation#Primary topics was written.
- Remember, the primary use of a dab term — as is said throughout T:DAB — is to distinguish between in-universe and out-of-universe subjects. With in-universe topics of the same name, first you should try to see if there's a primary topic, and then you move on to dab terms if there's no clear choice to make on that score. Yasmin Khan (Fallout) — if that's even the right way to spell her name — is in no way comparable in stature to the S11 main character. Moreover, the Fallout character doesn't have a range of subsidiary articles, like Yasmin Khan's cousin, Yasmin Khan's grandfather and Yasmin Khan - list of appearances.
- For minimum confusion to the widest range of readers, this article needs to stay at Yasmin Khan. If and when the other article gets written, it gets the story dab term. That'll make it super apparent in a search drop-down that one is the major character, and the other is an incidental character in a single story.
- Finally, we want people to find this main article from Google searches. Unfortunately, this is an especially challenging page for Google, because there are famous real people named Yasmin Khan, all of which knock us way down the list for searches on just "Yasmin Khan". Luckily, "Yasmin Khan Doctor Who" gives us the second-best result in Google. A name change would weaken our position further without resulting in anything that's clearer to casual fans.
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍ 21:38: Tue 26 Feb 2019