Talk:Last Great Time War

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Shouldn't "The Parting of the Ways" be in the main History section?

The conventional wisdom may be that the Doctor ended the Time War when he destroyed (or "destroyed") Gallifrey and the Daleks using the Moment. The article as written seems to reflect that.

However, there's significant in-universe evidence that the Dalek Emperor's survival and schemes as seen in Bad Wolf and The Parting of the Ways, and his destruction at the glowy hands of the Bad Wolf entity, ought to be considered the actual last battle in the Time War.

The first quote is right in The Parting of the Ways: as she is about to disintegrate the Emperor, Bad Wolf Rose declares that "the Time War ends", present tense.

The second is from Utopia: the Doctor thinks Jack's "ultra-resurrection" by the Bad Wolf Entity has a twinge of poetic irony about it, because it means that "the last act in the Time War was Life" — which shows even more explicitly that such a major player in the War as the Doctor thinks it only ended on the Game Station.

This would be a pretty major edit to the page, though, so I thought it wiser to write this up here and get a second opinion or five. So… thoughts? --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 12:29, June 30, 2019 (UTC)

This is compelling, but that evidence is a bit in tension with The Day of the Doctor's explicit identification of the Fall of Arcadia as occurring on "The Last Day of the Time War". – N8 ☎ 20:32, June 30, 2019 (UTC)

Good point, but nothing we can't cover with "another account" language, if even that. All it would take would be to preface the section about the Game Station with something along the lines of:

"Although the day upon which Arcadia fell and Gallifrey disappeared was often referred to as the last day of the Time War (TV: The Day of the Doctor), the Dalek Emperor survived the destruction of his fleet, and......(TV: The Parting of the Ways)."

Don't you thinK?

Best to keep in mind, I think, that human (well, sentient-beings, in a Doctor Who context) events like wars don't have objective beginnings and ends; it's a matter of convention, decided upon after all is said and done. Just like Wikipedia would report the controversies among historians of a real war, so should we report that the Bad Wolf Entity and the Tenth Doctor said one thing, but later the Eleventh Doctor said another thing. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 20:43, June 30, 2019 (UTC)