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::It impacts the plot because it shows just how amoral and ruthless Rassilon is or has become. If its simply another Time Lord President, it means little. If its Rassilon himself, it means so much more. Without Davies stating explicitly otherwise, then its safe to assume this is Rassilon himself. -- [[User:Corvus1970|Corvus1970]] | ::It impacts the plot because it shows just how amoral and ruthless Rassilon is or has become. If its simply another Time Lord President, it means little. If its Rassilon himself, it means so much more. Without Davies stating explicitly otherwise, then its safe to assume this is Rassilon himself. -- [[User:Corvus1970|Corvus1970]] | ||
::I read that someone (Russel T. Davis I think) confirms that he ''is'' Rassilon.--[[User:WarGrowlmon18|WarGrowlmon18]] 17:44, January 2, 2010 (UTC) | ::I read that someone (Russel T. Davis I think) confirms that he ''is'' Rassilon.--[[User:WarGrowlmon18|WarGrowlmon18]] 17:44, January 2, 2010 (UTC) | ||
Should the picture of Dalton be up here so soon after the airing of the episode? | Should the picture of Dalton be up here so soon after the airing of the episode? I kind of predicted who Rasillon would be, but I would hate to see anyone boning up on Doctor history in preparation for watching have that little surprise blown. --[[The Moist Towelette of Rassilon]] | ||
I think this is Rassilon, he to have the Hand of Omega, and Rassilon was a friend of Omega. Also, i think Russel T Davies confirmed this | I think this is Rassilon, he to have the Hand of Omega, and Rassilon was a friend of Omega. Also, i think Russel T Davies confirmed this | ||
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The Doctor wouldn't have called him Rassilon, especially with such disdain, unless that's who he actually was. There is no need to assume this ISN'T The Rassilon of old, to assume otherwise is to add uneeded complexity to the name-drop, especially since that isn't the way Davies handles things. The "Pope" argument isn't a good one, since "Pope" is a title, but the Popes then retain their own name associated with it as well. "Lord President" is a title, "Rassilon" is a name. As such, I - as so many others - believe that this IS Rassilon himself. -- [[User:Corvus1970|Corvus1970]] | The Doctor wouldn't have called him Rassilon, especially with such disdain, unless that's who he actually was. There is no need to assume this ISN'T The Rassilon of old, to assume otherwise is to add uneeded complexity to the name-drop, especially since that isn't the way Davies handles things. The "Pope" argument isn't a good one, since "Pope" is a title, but the Popes then retain their own name associated with it as well. "Lord President" is a title, "Rassilon" is a name. As such, I - as so many others - believe that this IS Rassilon himself. -- [[User:Corvus1970|Corvus1970]] | ||
Rassilon is held in such high esteem among Time Lords. | Rassilon is held in such high esteem among Time Lords. His seal is seen all over it's sociaty. The name drop WAS a metaphor, but he was talking to the whole planet, not just to the President. Making the assumption that it was Rassilon himself adds unneeded complexity. It really is simpler to assume it isn't. | ||
Also, there's no reason to assume the gauntlet is the hand of Omega. | Also, there's no reason to assume the gauntlet is the hand of Omega. | ||
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It is an assumption even that "Rassilon" is the name the Lord President would have used for himself; it is only what the Doctor calls him. It is possible, though unlikely, that the Doctor is using the name as an insult, the same way a human under similar circumstances might have called him "Hitler". (Especially if one considers the Big Finish Eighth Doctor's experiences with Rassilon) -- [[User:DorianX|DorianX]] | |||
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I hear he is referred to as "Rassilon", but couldn't this be metaphorical. Could someone show me the exact line of dialogue?--138.130.100.123 05:45, January 2, 2010 (UTC)
- "Back to the Time War, Rassilon!" Could be a nickname or metaphor. I hope it's a nickname and they didn't just condense the return of Rassilon into a single line that didn't impact the plot in the least...--Golden Monkey 06:05, January 2, 2010 (UTC)
- It impacts the plot because it shows just how amoral and ruthless Rassilon is or has become. If its simply another Time Lord President, it means little. If its Rassilon himself, it means so much more. Without Davies stating explicitly otherwise, then its safe to assume this is Rassilon himself. -- Corvus1970
- I read that someone (Russel T. Davis I think) confirms that he is Rassilon.--WarGrowlmon18 17:44, January 2, 2010 (UTC)
Should the picture of Dalton be up here so soon after the airing of the episode? I kind of predicted who Rasillon would be, but I would hate to see anyone boning up on Doctor history in preparation for watching have that little surprise blown. --The Moist Towelette of Rassilon
I think this is Rassilon, he to have the Hand of Omega, and Rassilon was a friend of Omega. Also, i think Russel T Davies confirmed this
The Doctor wouldn't have called him Rassilon, especially with such disdain, unless that's who he actually was. There is no need to assume this ISN'T The Rassilon of old, to assume otherwise is to add uneeded complexity to the name-drop, especially since that isn't the way Davies handles things. The "Pope" argument isn't a good one, since "Pope" is a title, but the Popes then retain their own name associated with it as well. "Lord President" is a title, "Rassilon" is a name. As such, I - as so many others - believe that this IS Rassilon himself. -- Corvus1970
Rassilon is held in such high esteem among Time Lords. His seal is seen all over it's sociaty. The name drop WAS a metaphor, but he was talking to the whole planet, not just to the President. Making the assumption that it was Rassilon himself adds unneeded complexity. It really is simpler to assume it isn't. Also, there's no reason to assume the gauntlet is the hand of Omega.
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It is an assumption even that "Rassilon" is the name the Lord President would have used for himself; it is only what the Doctor calls him. It is possible, though unlikely, that the Doctor is using the name as an insult, the same way a human under similar circumstances might have called him "Hitler". (Especially if one considers the Big Finish Eighth Doctor's experiences with Rassilon) -- DorianX
