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Is there a legitimate [[reason]] for this being [[Template:Invalid|invalid]]? ''[[The Curse of Fatal Death (TV story)|The Curse of Fatal Death]]'' is fine, so I'm curious. [[User:Cookieboy 2005|Cookieboy 2005]] [[User talk:Cookieboy 2005|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:30, 31 May 2022 (UTC) | Is there a legitimate [[reason]] for this being [[:Template:Invalid|invalid]]? ''[[The Curse of Fatal Death (TV story)|The Curse of Fatal Death]]'' is fine, so I'm curious. [[User:Cookieboy 2005|Cookieboy 2005]] [[User talk:Cookieboy 2005|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:30, 31 May 2022 (UTC) | ||
: We tend to have a high burden of proof for stories that consist of a character speaking directly to the audience still counting. It's all about [[Tardis:Valid sources#Rule 4|rule 4]]: whether a story was ''intended'' to actually be set in the DWU. ''[[The Curse of Fatal Death (TV story)|The Curse of Fatal Death]]'' doesn't actually break the fourth wall anyway, but we have specific quotes from Moffat and other people associated with the production, showing that it was ''intended'' to "count" with respect to the Classic Series, at least as some sort of alternate timeline. | |||
: Whereas ''Introduction to the Night'' — there's no clear in-universe justification for the aged Doctor speaking to the audience. And him mentioning [[Paul McGann]] and introducing clips from the TV series doesn't help, either. All of this could be ''overridden'' if we had compelling evidence that, despite these quirks, the writers or producers ''intended'' for it to count. But ''prima facie'' this doesn't look like something that was intended to be set in the conventional DWU, or indeed in any coherent universe; just a bit of fun with in-universe stylings, but which feels free to break its own narrative rules for giggles. <span style="color: #baa3d6;font-family:Comic Sans;">[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']]</span> <span style="color: #baa3d6;">[[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]]</span> 16:56, 31 May 2022 (UTC) | |||
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Is there a legitimate reason for this being invalid? The Curse of Fatal Death is fine, so I'm curious. Cookieboy 2005 ☎ 16:30, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- We tend to have a high burden of proof for stories that consist of a character speaking directly to the audience still counting. It's all about rule 4: whether a story was intended to actually be set in the DWU. The Curse of Fatal Death doesn't actually break the fourth wall anyway, but we have specific quotes from Moffat and other people associated with the production, showing that it was intended to "count" with respect to the Classic Series, at least as some sort of alternate timeline.
- Whereas Introduction to the Night — there's no clear in-universe justification for the aged Doctor speaking to the audience. And him mentioning Paul McGann and introducing clips from the TV series doesn't help, either. All of this could be overridden if we had compelling evidence that, despite these quirks, the writers or producers intended for it to count. But prima facie this doesn't look like something that was intended to be set in the conventional DWU, or indeed in any coherent universe; just a bit of fun with in-universe stylings, but which feels free to break its own narrative rules for giggles. Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 16:56, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
