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Might I suggest that the article lead emphasize the original source that says Christine is a Cwej? It's none of the four stories cited in the lead, and it's confusing. As written, it suggests that BotW or Dead Romance are saying that she's a Cwej, and they absolutely do not. An earlier edit suggested this was [[The Five Christinas (short story)|The Five Christinas]], but this claim was removed from the page and replaced with a more in depth discussion of the story. Having not read the story, I can't comment, but if it's the case that this is the first place her being a Cwej is mentioned, I'd suggest that we highlight this fact. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 08:19, 28 October 2022 (UTC) | Might I suggest that the article lead emphasize the original source that says Christine is a Cwej? It's none of the four stories cited in the lead, and it's confusing. As written, it suggests that BotW or Dead Romance are saying that she's a Cwej, and they absolutely do not. An earlier edit suggested this was [[The Five Christinas (short story)|The Five Christinas]], but this claim was removed from the page and replaced with a more in depth discussion of the story. Having not read the story, I can't comment, but if it's the case that this is the first place her being a Cwej is mentioned, I'd suggest that we highlight this fact. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 08:19, 28 October 2022 (UTC) | ||
: Yes, it originates in ''[[The Five Christinas (short story)|The Five Christinas]]'', which ''de facto'' presents her as a Cwej by having her be present in a situation where five female Cwejen have been pulled together from across time and space due to… something-or-other; I forget the details. That being said, it's building on the mention in ''[[Dead Romance (novel)|Dead Romance]]'' that Christin was grown from a "standard human template" in the Great Houses' databanks, which I think it is fair to argue was a literary antecedent to the proper introduction of the Cwejen, even if I am doubtful that it was the intent upon introducing the Cwejen to retcon Christine as having been one (since ''BotW'' says nothing of the idea of female Cwejen, a much later confabulation). <span style="color: #baa3d6;font-family:Comic Sans;">[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']]</span> <span style="color: #baa3d6;">[[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]]</span> 08:24, 28 October 2022 (UTC) | : Yes, it originates in ''[[The Five Christinas (short story)|The Five Christinas]]'', which ''de facto'' presents her as a Cwej by having her be present in a situation where five female Cwejen have been pulled together from across time and space due to… something-or-other; I forget the details. That being said, it's building on the mention in ''[[Dead Romance (novel)|Dead Romance]]'' that Christin was grown from a "standard human template" in the Great Houses' databanks, which I think it is fair to argue was a literary antecedent to the proper introduction of the Cwejen, even if I am doubtful that it was the intent upon introducing the Cwejen to retcon Christine as having been one (since ''BotW'' says nothing of the idea of female Cwejen, a much later confabulation). <span style="color: #baa3d6;font-family:Comic Sans;">[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']]</span> <span style="color: #baa3d6;">[[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]]</span> 08:24, 28 October 2022 (UTC) | ||
::That's what I gathered from the prior edit. The current configuration is super confusing to me as a reader who hasn't read the Cwej series stuff. Again, the people who are actually up to date will know best on how to present the material, but I think that if you mention her being a Cwejen in the lead it should (also) be sourced to the first story in which she's stated to be one (imo). And the standard human template/Cwej nuances strike me as useful to discuss. As a reader who's not up to date on the issue. I fully admit my own limitations here. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 08:30, 28 October 2022 (UTC) | |||
Revision as of 08:30, 28 October 2022
Clarifying Cwejen status
Might I suggest that the article lead emphasize the original source that says Christine is a Cwej? It's none of the four stories cited in the lead, and it's confusing. As written, it suggests that BotW or Dead Romance are saying that she's a Cwej, and they absolutely do not. An earlier edit suggested this was The Five Christinas, but this claim was removed from the page and replaced with a more in depth discussion of the story. Having not read the story, I can't comment, but if it's the case that this is the first place her being a Cwej is mentioned, I'd suggest that we highlight this fact. Najawin ☎ 08:19, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, it originates in The Five Christinas, which de facto presents her as a Cwej by having her be present in a situation where five female Cwejen have been pulled together from across time and space due to… something-or-other; I forget the details. That being said, it's building on the mention in Dead Romance that Christin was grown from a "standard human template" in the Great Houses' databanks, which I think it is fair to argue was a literary antecedent to the proper introduction of the Cwejen, even if I am doubtful that it was the intent upon introducing the Cwejen to retcon Christine as having been one (since BotW says nothing of the idea of female Cwejen, a much later confabulation). Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 08:24, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
- That's what I gathered from the prior edit. The current configuration is super confusing to me as a reader who hasn't read the Cwej series stuff. Again, the people who are actually up to date will know best on how to present the material, but I think that if you mention her being a Cwejen in the lead it should (also) be sourced to the first story in which she's stated to be one (imo). And the standard human template/Cwej nuances strike me as useful to discuss. As a reader who's not up to date on the issue. I fully admit my own limitations here. Najawin ☎ 08:30, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
