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Upon reflection, I agree that both should be considered valid sources — ''especially'' in the case of ''[[Incoming Message (webcast)|Incoming Message]]'', where [[Russell T Davies]] bothering to point out why Yvonne Hartman is alive despite her death in ''[[Doomsday (TV story)|Doomsday]]'' (namely, that she's the [[Yvonne Hartman (Pete's World)|Pete's World Yvonne from Big Finish]]) seems a very obvious sign that this is meant to take place in the DWU, albeit during events which eerily echo what's happening in the real world. | Upon reflection, I agree that both should be considered valid sources — ''especially'' in the case of ''[[Incoming Message (webcast)|Incoming Message]]'', where [[Russell T Davies]] bothering to point out why Yvonne Hartman is alive despite her death in ''[[Doomsday (TV story)|Doomsday]]'' (namely, that she's the [[Yvonne Hartman (Pete's World)|Pete's World Yvonne from Big Finish]]) seems a very obvious sign that this is meant to take place in the DWU, albeit during events which eerily echo what's happening in the real world. | ||
Yes, both are filmed as the actor talking to the audience, but both are clearly and unambiguously in-universe broadcasts aimed at the British population/whoever the TARDIS telepathic circuits pick up is "in trouble" (respectively). They're not addressing "you, the viewer" in a fourth-wall-breaking way. If we let in ''[[Before the Flood (TV story)|Before the Flood]]'', I see no reason to invalidate those when they have ''more'' of an explanation of quite who the character is talking to in-universe. In fact, it's best likened, I would say, to ''[[The Woman Who Fell to Earth (TV story)|The Woman Who Fell to Earth]]'' and ''[[Love & Monsters (TV story)|Love and Monsters]]''{{'}}s framing devices with [[Ryan Sinclair]] and [[Elton Pope]]'s vlogs. It ''looks'' like they're talking to the viewer, but the viewer is just being put in the shoes of the intended in-universe audience of the in-universe video is all. | Yes, both are filmed as the actor talking to the audience, but both are clearly and unambiguously in-universe broadcasts aimed at the British population/whoever the TARDIS telepathic circuits pick up is "in trouble" (respectively). They're not addressing "you, the viewer" in a fourth-wall-breaking way. If we let in ''[[Before the Flood (TV story)|Before the Flood]]'', I see no reason to invalidate those when they have ''more'' of an explanation of quite who the character is talking to in-universe. In fact, it's best likened, I would say, to ''[[The Woman Who Fell to Earth (TV story)|The Woman Who Fell to Earth]]'' and ''[[Love & Monsters (TV story)|Love and Monsters]]''{{'}}s framing devices with [[Ryan Sinclair]] and [[Elton Pope]]'s vlogs. It ''looks'' like they're talking to the viewer, but the viewer is just being put in the shoes of the intended in-universe audience of the in-universe video is all. | ||
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