User:SOTO/Forum Archive/The Panopticon/@comment-188432-20130129081336/@comment-26975268-20130129212712

Listen, I'm not just picking a side and being stubborn, here. I'm willing to sway, and I definitely will, once I've heard real evidence that they are definitely the same person. I understand where you're coming from, but, in my mind, according to what I've read in this discussion, saying that she's definitely the same person is illogical. Yes, the Doctor said it, but that's the only proof you have. What you said about characters only applies to my last comment (which you seem to have ignored), where Oswin says specifically "Don't know, never met you." It does not apply to the Doctor's theory, since it's only a theory. Obviously, he's not lying, but he's just recognising that they're essentially the same person, for his purposes. He recognises the similarities and figured out that, somehow, they're the same person.

I agree that they're the same person, that much is evident in the story. But I still think they should have three articles, for my two reasons above:

1) They might be the same person, but definitely two separate bodies. You might think that comparison to Rory Williams (Auton) is bogus, but I still haven't heard your reasoning for that. Maybe your reasoning will change my mind. But, as I understand it, the reason Rory and his Auton self are separated is because it's an entirely different body that looks just like the real Rory, with Rory's consciousness in it. But it's not the "main" Rory. (If the reason was just because that timeline was negated, then Rory (Auton) would just be under the section at the bottom entitled "Alternate timelines" or something like that.) Anyway, if the reason is as stated above, then the same should apply to Clara, as it's the same consciousness but different bodies.

2) Oswin says specifically "Don't know, never met you." Clara doesn't act like they've met before, either. Although, on your side, it's shown that she's a fairly good actress. She has two lives in the Snowmen and acts and sounds completely different in each. So it's entirely plausible that she's purposely hiding the fact that she remembers the Doctor, and doing it quite convincingly. If we're going with "We cannot possibly write our articles from the position that 'our source might be lying, so therefore we pre-emptively withhold judgement'", then it's clear that she's never met the Doctor before in either life, and therefore does not have the same consciousness, therefore should have separate pages.

Apart from the two points above (which you pointedly ignored in all your responses), I agree with you completely. What you say is logical. I just feel like those two points are important and shouldn't be ignored. If you can counter my two points logically without speculating (which I'm sure you can), I'm coming over to your side. I'm not antagonising, just making sure you recognise all important points.