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: While the concerns about the Robot introduced in this story is something I have no fresh insight on, I would like to voice my support for ''this'' story's validity, if possible. It reminds me greatly of the {{wi|Young Sheldon}} episode ''A Race of Superhumans and a Letter to Alf'', which is a similar case of the Kermit Factor; ''Young Sheldon'' is a prequel to {{wi|The Big Bang Theory}}, which is set ostensibly in "our" world, with a couple of minor differences (i.e. a group of nerdy scientists meet famous actors and one of them gets a Nobel Prize), however it is in that aforementioned ''Young Sheldon'' episode... {{w|ALF (character)|ALF}} from {{wi|ALF (TV series)|ALF}} appears at the end, despite him originating from a series with very different worldbuilding (i.e. aliens are a thing). The ''TBBT'' Wiki (AFAIK) would never question this episode's "canonicity"-or-what-have-you. It's the rule of funny. y'know? I don't feel this short, by itself, is any less "real" than any other ''Doctor Who'' story. [[Mr Spoon|I mean, Mr Spoon from ''Button Moon'' exists in the DWU]]. {{User:Epsilon the Eternal/signature}} 20:03, 9 June 2023 (UTC) | : While the concerns about the Robot introduced in this story is something I have no fresh insight on, I would like to voice my support for ''this'' story's validity, if possible. It reminds me greatly of the {{wi|Young Sheldon}} episode ''A Race of Superhumans and a Letter to Alf'', which is a similar case of the Kermit Factor; ''Young Sheldon'' is a prequel to {{wi|The Big Bang Theory}}, which is set ostensibly in "our" world, with a couple of minor differences (i.e. a group of nerdy scientists meet famous actors and one of them gets a Nobel Prize), however it is in that aforementioned ''Young Sheldon'' episode... {{w|ALF (character)|ALF}} from {{wi|ALF (TV series)|ALF}} appears at the end, despite him originating from a series with very different worldbuilding (i.e. aliens are a thing). The ''TBBT'' Wiki (AFAIK) would never question this episode's "canonicity"-or-what-have-you. It's the rule of funny. y'know? I don't feel this short, by itself, is any less "real" than any other ''Doctor Who'' story. [[Mr Spoon|I mean, Mr Spoon from ''Button Moon'' exists in the DWU]]. {{User:Epsilon the Eternal/signature}} 20:03, 9 June 2023 (UTC) | ||
== Conclusion == | |||
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Right, so, this. | |||
Lots of walking-on-eggshells discussion of something called "the Kermit Factor", but really now, friends, this would be better called [[Forum:Temporary_forums/Inclusion_debates_speedround#Looking_for_Pudsey|the Pudsey Precedent]]. More broadly it's a natural extension of crossover policy. Elements of the world being crossed-over-with should not ''prima facie'' be used as evidence of non-DWU-ness, because by ''definition'' they are hallmarks of a universe that is not normally synonmous the DWU, and that would be tantamount to arguing that crossovers shouldn't be valid. This is especially salient today when in fact the Doctor ''has'' name-dropped Hacker in a story which passes Rule 4 and is not otherwise a ''Scoop'' crossover - that being ''micro:bit''. (Which isn't valid at the moment, of course, but for reasons of interactivity, not Rule 4.) We wouldn't invalidate a normal ''Who'' story for having the Doctor quip about Hacker being a real person, so we shouldn't lose our minds when a story shows that actually being the case. | |||
That being said, this is a tricky case in other respects. I. Uhm. I think as proposed this fails [[Tardis:Valid sources#Rule 1|Rule 1]]?… Not that it isn't fiction, obviously. But it isn't a ''complete'' work of fiction at all! | |||
The revelation that the three-minute clip usually known as ''The Robot Reveal'' was really part of a wider, continuous programme really turns this case on its head. It would be one thing if it had been one of many discrete clips within ''Robot Week'', with normal programming slotting in-between the DWU scene and the next one — but we now know that in fact the footage flowed naturally from the end of the TARDIS scene to the next, with no interruption yet. | |||
Under the circumstances, I really don't see a justification for retaining a page about "''The Robot Reveal''" as a distinct entity. Sure, a reedit into a complete minisode would be ''imaginable'' ([[A Fix with Sontarans (home video)|hrm]]), but I don't think that's what that YouTube upload actually ''is'', considering that in fact ''The Robot Reveal'' is a fan title of dubious provenance and the thing is actually listed on YouTube as "Doctor Who TARDIS reveals CBBC's new robot!". It's a ''clip from'' the wider ''Robot Week'' TV broadcast, in just the same way that a scene from the latest ''Doctor Who'' episode might be uploaded under a "title" of sorts. There's no intent that I can see for <s>''The Robot Reveal''</s>''Doctor Who TARDIS reveals CBBC's new robot!'' to be perceived as its ''own'' story. | |||
I do get it, I really do: a valid ''Robot Reveal'' minisode, and invalid ''Robot Week'' overview, sound ever so convenient. But we can't twist the facts around to fit what would make for easier coverage. ''Robot Week'' is all there is. The page currently listed as ''[[The Robot Reveal (TV story)|The Robot Reveal]]'' should be restructured to cover all ''Robot Week'' linking segments, as one, continuous thing. (I do agree that sanity must prevail and we should not cover all seven weeks' worth of programming packaged into those linking segments, unless evidence comes to light that this causes issues of similar magnitude to the ''Incomplete Death's Head'' situation.) | |||
So my recommendation is to restructure this page into [[Robot Week (TV story)]], as best we can. It won't be complete for a while, but this is ''Doctor Who'' — [[missing episode|these]] things [[Get Off My Cloud (TV story)|happen]]. | |||
Sadly, I do think this means we must refrain from validation until we've documented a bit more ''of'' this broader thing we're proposing to validate, and know what we're talking about. So long as swathes of it remain unarchived I think it'd be unreasonable to ask for people to have watched it ''in its entirety'', but let's have robust Wikification of everything currently available, and revisit that once we're all on the same page there. | |||
At any rate, as per [[Forum:Temporary_forums/Inclusion_debates_speedround#Part_10:_Death's_Head|the ''Death's Head'' closing post]], I definitely affirm that we should consider [[Bl1nk Bot 3]] an inherently DWU character, whose appearances should all be documented. Provided the ''Robot Week'' linking segments are understood to pass Rule 4, I don't think there's any question that the handful of other appearances of the character would as well. ''[[Introducing BL1NK BOT 3 (webcast)|Introducing BL1NK BOT 3]]'' should henceforth be covered, its validity conditional on what we make of ''Robot Week'' upon revisiting it. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 10:56, 24 June 2023 (UTC) | |||
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