Talk:Madame Kovarian

Eye Patch Lady's Name

It has been stated by some websites that her name is Madame Kovarian. This is because Frances Barber plays both the eye-patch lady and Madame Kovarian. Perhaps this can be stated on the page as a theory/rumour?

Relevant Websites include http://doctorwhospoilers.com/2011/summaries/episode-eight/ (DO NOT READ THIS IF YOU VALUE YOUR LIFE!- Massive Spoilers) and the quote of the week at http://doctorwho-fansite.blogspot.com/search/label/series%206

How can she play both? only one has appeared, Madame Kovarian was not her own character in episodes 2 and 3, they were the same.

Madame Kovarian has been proven as the eyepatch ladies name because during an interview in the total tv guide she says that this is the ladies name

There's a 'spoiler' policy and the admins have to wait for 'concrete' sources to maintain accuracy - but if you're looking for one, it may just have arrived; the second official BBC preview for "A Good Man Goes To War" has Dorium directly addressing her as "Madame Kovarian" - Perhaps the time to move the page has arrived. Baziel 23:40, June 2, 2011 (UTC)

Episodes

The preview for episode 6 shows her. My mention of that was deleted. I am changing it back. ArthuruhtrA 00:16, May 17, 2011 (UTC)

Thankyou ArthuruhtrA, it was me who mentioned that in the first place. Obviously I will have more detail about Madame Kovarian once the 'Rebel of Flesh' (episode FIVE) has been broadcast.

82.26.157.86 09:43, May 17, 2011 (UTC)CPC1

Cameo

Technically, shouldn't all her appearances be classed as a 'cameo'. What's the logic of the specific credit for Rebel Flesh?Geek Mythology 19:16, May 21, 2011 (UTC)

I thought the exact same thing. All of her appearances are cameos, the latest one just happened to be a few seconds short than the the first two with no speaking role. It's fairly apparant she may be playing a large role in episode 7 (I think), so that would make all of her former appearances cameos. 90.199.247.156 21:09, May 21, 2011 (UTC)

Removed the "cameo" tag. They're all pretty much equal.----Skittles the hog--Talk 21:12, May 21, 2011 (UTC)

I was going to add more information from the most recent episode, The Almost People, but when I tried to edit the page, it said that the page was locked to prevent further editing. Is it because of vandalism, or does the wiki team not want any spoilers? Anyways, for those who can edit the page, here is the info:

The Eye Patch Lady is seen again, but this time with a bigger role. She tells Amy Pond to "push" when she's giving birth. (TV: The Almost People)

Would someone please add this to the page that has rights to? Thanks. MasterDC 13:35, May 29, 2011 (UTC)

Gallery

A user recently added a gallery to the page. I would like to propose that it is not removed as seems to be the case with every edit to this page. In the same way as Time Field shows every appearance of that story arc, this one could/should too. I see no real reason for its deletion as the images are neatly tucked away in a gallery. Thoughts?----Skittles the hog--Talk 10:39, May 31, 2011 (UTC)

At the moment, with it at the bottom of the page, it looks an eye sore. If we had more information, which we will have by next week, then we cna re add it. It look messy at the bottom of the page. Also, if we do keep it, we will need another one from a later appearance to add to the end, it looks truely awful as five/seven images. It should be an even amount. But back on subject, it should be removed till we have more information so the images don't look truely awful where they are. Mini-mitch\talk 11:01, May 31, 2011 (UTC)

It looks fine to me and aesthetics is a flimsy reason at any rate. Leave it up, and when more information is added, it may also look nice for you.----Skittles the hog--Talk 11:10, May 31, 2011 (UTC)

Eye Patch Lady/Madame Kovarian

We all know that the "Eye Patch Lady" is in fact Madame Kovarian as she is named in the trailers and numerous of other websites but I can see she is not confirmed on the Offical Doctor Who website but she is also not named on the Doctor Who website only in the ending credits. I think it is time to name her as "Madame Kovarian". The mysterious 15:43, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

The name will be changed when it is stated inside an episode, as it is an in-universe source. This is just the policy of the wiki. --Revan\Talk 16:30, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

The Silence

It says on the page that Kovarian is associated with the Silence. When was that actually established? It's been a while now since I saw the episode so maybe I've forgotten (if so, I apologise) but I don't remember her ever saying so. They're both interested in River but that doesn't mean anything. The Silence seemed to want to protect her (perhaps believing she'll 'bring the Silence') and Kovarian wanted to use her as a weapon. If it's not been specifically mentioned otherwise, it's in no way implausible that their interest is unrelated.

Now that we know that the Silence are a religious order and that she was working with the Headless Monks and the Anglicans, isn't it also equally possible that Kovarian and the other religions are trying to prevent the very thing the Silence are trying to bring about?

CleverAndKnowsIt 08:53, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

Her association with the Silence has now been confirmed. 210.49.167.47 01:48, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

Amy Pond is not Kovarian

It's listed that Kovarian is a future version of Amy Pond but at no point in the series or the last episode is it ever said, hinted at, or indicated that this is true. – The preceding unsigned comment was added by 138.16.127.123 (talk).

Exactly. Deleted it. -- Tybort (talk page) 21:41, October 1, 2011 (UTC)

Dead?

Is Kovarian actually dead now? She obviously dies in the alternate timeline, but seeing as that is aborted by the end of The Wedding of River Song, can we confirm she's dead. I suppose this will have to wait until the next series if Frances Barber is to return at all but can we say she's defintitely dead?

I believe River specifically states it to be in an "aborted timeline", so she probably is still alive. However, I wouldn't surprised if she doesn't have any further appearances. Her death in the timeline is probably worth noting in the article either way. Manga (talk • contribs) 18:53, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

But the Doctor's marriage to River was in the alternate timeline and they consider that real. Also timetravelers are still affected by and remember alternate timelines, Amy even used this to bring the Doctor back. She might actually be dead. Either way she's prbably not coming back next season. Because the new threat seems to be The Question, perhaps Kovarian and the Silence had a point, regardless she seems gone.96.60.166.175^{talk to me} 09:36, January 31, 2012 (UTC)

Species?

The article lists here as "Near-Human". Why? How do we know she isn't human? Surely the most logical policy, even with the Doctor Who Universe is to assume someone is human unless there is evidence otherwise? -- Lyco499 (talk) 17:27, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

I changed kovarian to a member as kovarian was member of the silence,the church were assciotes of the silence

On the Official BBC Website she is listed under monster meaning she can't be human therefore she is near-human. ☎ 11:24, November 2, 2013 (UTC)

"Looks human, tends to dress in black and wear an eye patch-like device."

Looks human indicates she is not human but something else. ☎ 11:26, November 2, 2013 (UTC)

Page name

How come this page was moved from Kovarian to Madame Kovarian, and why wasn't this talk page moved? Jack ☎ 18:46, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

It was moved as an application of the (not-so-)relaxing of policy with regards to characters whose title becomes a part of their commonly-used designation, e.g. Dr. Who, Captain Britain, etc. This is better for CEO and searchability, and it better reflects the ambiguity about whether the Kovarian Chapter is named for its leader who happens to be a Mrs Kovarian, or if, as is my more natural suspicion, "Madame Kovarian" is a title within the Church, referring to "the leader of the Kovarian Chapter". (Imagine if the leader of the Prydonian Chapter was known as the Cardinal Prydonian.)

The talk page being unaffected was my mistake entirely. I'll fix it. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 19:18, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Ah, okay. Does this mean Vastra's likely to get moved to Madame Vastra as well? And does this change things for one-off characters like Sergeant Markham and Dr Constantine? Jack ☎ 19:47, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Vastra is an edge case, but probably not. We very much know her name was "Vastra" long before it was "Madame Vastra", and it seems to be a title she adopts in certain social contexts only. In contrast with Madame Kovarian, who really isn't ever called just "Kovarian". People like Markham and Constantine would certainly not be affected; their titles are just ordinary titles, even if we have mostly heard them referred to as such in our brief window into their lives. Forum:Relaxing T:HONOUR was the thread, if you want to look through the decision in detail. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 19:55, 7 December 2024 (UTC)