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Why are all the articles written as if it's confirmed that the Cybermen in TBOTC are Mondas Cybermen? It is perfectly reasonable that the Cybus Cybermen changed their logo, considering that it was a commercial logo...especially when they said that Amy would begin a new race of Cybermen...

There's a Cyberlord and they act like Cybus Cybermen...moreover, why would the Mondasian Cybermen freeze or hibernate when they are made specifically to operate in an extremely cold environment?--203.168.176.42 07:45, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

Yes but the Cybus Cybermen, don't have spaceships, the Cybus Cybermen don't have cybermats, The Cybus Cybermen aren't thousands of years old ect

And another thing if you watch any of the Mondasian Cybermen stories you will see that they act the same.

Also Hybernation is the Mondasian Cybermens thing, the Cybus Cybermen don't do that but the Mondasian do in Toom of the Cybermen, The Wheel in Space, The Invasion, Earthshock and Attack of the Cybermen.

If you look there is more evidence that they are Mondasian than Cybus. General MGD 109

Most importantly: why are the Cybusmen in our universe in the first place? They're all trapped in the void. And don't say they're in our universe because they were in the Pandorica Opens. Presumably the cracks and the decaying universe allowed them to get out of the void. After the Big Bang, they will once again be trapped. My theory: Presumably there is a Mondas, and therefor Mondasian cybermen in Pete's World. John Lumic based the design for his cybermen on plans of these Mondasian Cybermen. He probably got the designs from International Electromatics, the company from the invasion (as he was seen using vans with the IE logo, I presume he bought the company). It would be too much of a coincidence that the Cybusmen were so much like our cybermen. TemporalSpleen 11:33, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, but that is total speculation and is in no way helpful to the discussion. They were in "The Next Doctor" after being trapped in the void, so it is perfectly reasonably that they would be here too.

And there is not more evidence that they are Mondasian Cybermen than Cybus Cybermen. The Cybus ones do have spaceships, as proven in The Pandorica Opens when River specifically says Cyberships. We don't know if the Cybus ones have Cybermats and is speculative to say. The can easily be thousands of years old... they were at the Pandorica implying they can time travel. The only thing that says Mondasion (and is still speculative to say that the Cybus ones don't hibernate). As a friend of mine once said, if it walks like a duck, looks like a duck and quacks like a duck... it's most probably a duck. They walk, look and speak like the Cybus Cybermen, they are most probably them. --The Thirteenth Doctor 13:26, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

More speculation, but I think there will be at least a two-parter next season with the Cybermen in, and I reckon there will be another remaking of the Cybermen, possibly the Mondasians finding a Cybus Cyberman and stealing their designs, so that the Mondasians will look like the Cybus and then the Cybus will be removed completely. 82.33.57.244 13:31, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

To General MGD..the thing is...there is no evidence at all that they all Mondasian...and all the bloody articles say they are as if it's confirmed...

The Cybus Cybermen do have ships...CyberKing is a ship...the Cybership in the Pandorica Opens is probably theirs

The Mondasian Cybermen's cybermats doesn't do anything remotely similar to these cybermats....and don't you think a simple slug-bot is something that would be considered elementary to these advanced races?

There's a bloody Cyberlord, Mondasians have no Cyberlord...

Everything is speculative, so the articles should not call them Cybus nor Mondasian...this is just plain wrong...

For TemporalSpleen, your complete speculative theory is just too out-there...if you have to be that speculative, don't you think it makes much more sense that Cybus Cybermen were the design Mondasian Cybermen based on since Cybus Cybermen can appear anywhere and anytime in our Universe?

If you have to propose completely unsupported things, you may as well just say that these Cybermen are the ones that were in the Next Doctor, but was never there due to the retconning, and ended up much earlier on Earth...At least it explains the Cyberlord...203.168.176.42 18:17, July 10, 2010 (UTC)