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In ''Rememberance of the Daleks'' the Seventh Doctor has already explained why nobody remembers the Loch Ness Monster. He said something along the lines of "humans have a remarkable capacity for self deception," which has always been a theme in both the classic and the new series. More importantly, Ace does not remember ever hearing about the Loch Ness Monster, but Sarah Jane still remembers it in ''School Reunion''. This means that it was not erased, but people simply didn't believe it. Your first thoery doesn't work because we know that before the universe was restored, one event before 2000, ''The Next Doctor'', was erased. Besides, there were classic episodes that took place in the 21st century. If the Cybermen never attack Earth in the 21st century, Zoe won't be a companion. The erasures happened '''before''' the ''Big Bang'', so all your theories about Amy rebooting the universe inaccurately are wrong, or people would have remembered the invasions before the finale. The cracks have just always been shown to appear at random points in space-time, so they appeared in the Dalek invasion, Victorian London, Saturnya, the the Byzantium, Starship UK, etc. Some of the events that they erased were events that we had seen or heard of already, to show the audience what the cracks were capable of.[[User:Icecreamdif|Icecreamdif]] 13:15, May 7, 2011 (UTC) | In ''Rememberance of the Daleks'' the Seventh Doctor has already explained why nobody remembers the Loch Ness Monster. He said something along the lines of "humans have a remarkable capacity for self deception," which has always been a theme in both the classic and the new series. More importantly, Ace does not remember ever hearing about the Loch Ness Monster, but Sarah Jane still remembers it in ''School Reunion''. This means that it was not erased, but people simply didn't believe it. Your first thoery doesn't work because we know that before the universe was restored, one event before 2000, ''The Next Doctor'', was erased. Besides, there were classic episodes that took place in the 21st century. If the Cybermen never attack Earth in the 21st century, Zoe won't be a companion. The erasures happened '''before''' the ''Big Bang'', so all your theories about Amy rebooting the universe inaccurately are wrong, or people would have remembered the invasions before the finale. The cracks have just always been shown to appear at random points in space-time, so they appeared in the Dalek invasion, Victorian London, Saturnya, the the Byzantium, Starship UK, etc. Some of the events that they erased were events that we had seen or heard of already, to show the audience what the cracks were capable of.[[User:Icecreamdif|Icecreamdif]] 13:15, May 7, 2011 (UTC) | ||
: First, the fact that Sarah Jane remembers Terror of the Zygons doesn't mean that it wasn't erased. That episode happened before the cracks had erased anything. As for the "remarkable capacity for self-deception" explanation, Moffat himsef called this the one story of the classic series that couldn't be explained away that way (or by UNIT coverup, etc.), which is why I brought it up in the first place. | |||
: For theory 1, I'm not sure why you felt the need to repeat the exact same arguments against it that I already gave (The Next Doctor, and the classic episodes that take place in the future), but at any rate, I was already convinced that this was the weakest answer. | |||
: For theory 4a-c, the fact that the erasures happened before The Big Bang doesn't actually prove anything. First, we don't know whether anyone remembered the invasions beforehand; we only saw that Amy didn't. From the time we saw the first crack to the finale, not once did anyone mention any of those events. And, oddly, the Doctor never thought to ask Rory, River, Nasreen, etc. about them (which is the first thing I'd do if I were trying to figure out why Amy didn't remember them). So, we don't actually know either way. | |||
: Finally, you argue that theory 2 must be the answer because "the cracks have just always been shown to appear at random points in space-time"--but they _haven't_ been at random points. At least not the ones we've seen or heard about. Those appeared at points very near to where Amy and the Doctor were (including the ones on Saturnyne--one of them connected to Venice during Amy's arrival like a wormhole, and the others were near that one). Of course it's possible that there were millions of others that we didn't see, but it's just as possible that there aren't; we don't know either way. | |||
There were presumably cracks all throughout the universe, we just only saw the ones near the Doctor and Amy, because the show is from their point of view. Moffat may say that it is impossible for people to ignore the Loch Ness Monster, but within the show, the 7th Doctor specifically stated that people did just ignore it and rationalize it away. The fact that Ace had never heard of the "Zygon gambit with the Loch Ness Monster," in an episode from long before the cracks existed, proves that the Loch Ness Monster was just attributed to drugs in the water supply, or something along those lines.[[User:Icecreamdif|Icecreamdif]] 16:28, May 8, 2011 (UTC) | There were presumably cracks all throughout the universe, we just only saw the ones near the Doctor and Amy, because the show is from their point of view. Moffat may say that it is impossible for people to ignore the Loch Ness Monster, but within the show, the 7th Doctor specifically stated that people did just ignore it and rationalize it away. The fact that Ace had never heard of the "Zygon gambit with the Loch Ness Monster," in an episode from long before the cracks existed, proves that the Loch Ness Monster was just attributed to drugs in the water supply, or something along those lines.[[User:Icecreamdif|Icecreamdif]] 16:28, May 8, 2011 (UTC) | ||
Yeah, but do drugs in the water supply bomb entire cities and kill hundreds of people though? There's no way you could write all that off as a hallucination. [[User:EJA|EJA]] 16:37, May 8, 2011 (UTC) | |||