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I thought Skaro was destroyed in the Time War aswell as Gallifey??? So how can the Doctor just turn up on Skaro to fix the Dalek invasion of 1963 like nothing had happened and without any sign of reference?? -- Michael Downey 21:48, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think it was ever said that Skaro was destroyed? If it was destroyed, it wasn't the same way that Gallifrey was destroyed and lost, more just a physical destruction of buildings etc. The Thirteenth Doctor 22:22, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

Oh right thanks, I was convinced they strongly implied that both planets where destroyed anyway. -- Michael Downey 22:25, June 3, 2010 (UTC).

Just had a look at the Skaro page. I think it was said that it was destroyed in the time war, but it was never really explained that well. I'd say that it was just damaged real bad and the Daleks couldn't be bothered fixing it, so tried taking over earth. The Thirteenth Doctor 22:43, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

Everything on the planet may have been destroyed but not the planet itself. But wouldn't Skaro be in the time lock since the whole of the Time war is in the time lock and that is the Dalek's home planet? V00D00M0NKY 00:13, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

Skaro was already destroyed in DW: Remembrance of the Daleks. However you deal with that, you can deal with the LGTW the same way, right? Not to mention that the Daleks had already abandoned Skaro to the Thals by the 26th century, and were later seen living on a non-radioactive homeworld.

If you haven't read EDA: War of the Daleks... well, you're lucky. But go read the article on it, and maybe the discontinuity page for it.

Back? OK, here's my theory. We know that "Skaro" is just the Kaled word for "home". The Skaro in VG: City of the Daleks is at least the third one, and the one in the LGTW was at least the fourth one (possibly created as a decoy by Davros, who I'd like to believe saw through John Peel'sDalek Prime's laughable propagandistic attempt to rewrite the history of Remembrance, but liked the basic idea of a decoy Skaro enough to later use it for real). During the War, Skaro #4 was the one taken out of time and space to launch the deathships, and the one that got destroyed. Skaro #3 was disguised as just one of many minor Dalek slave planets. Like many planets, it was just blasted clean of all lifeforms and left for dead and never got time-locked.

Davros probably had a secret backup plan to get back to Skaro #3 in case the LGTW didn't go so well, but he flew into the jaws of the Nightmare Child--and besides, the War was going very well, to the point where Rassilon had no recourse left but the End of Time.

What about the original original Skaro? The Daleks already abandoned that to the Thals in the 26th century. They had a vast empire with a better capital (which they called Skaro, of course). At first, they were probably planning to save their original planet for last, after they'd conquered the rest of the universe, to have a little fun with the Thals. But then they just forgot about it--conquest is more interesting than revenge, and besides, conquering the universe didn't go quite as easily as they'd hoped. --Falcotron 09:12, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

It's possible Skaro was not physically destroyed in Remembrance, but just had it's surface terribly scorched (The Doctor did say the planet was reduced to a burnt cinder in part four, exaggerately slightly, but implying that the planet still had some form remaining).The Nth Doctor 23:30, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Regarding the time lock part, I think the time lock only locked the period within the Last Great Time War, and this still doesn't contradict anything in that the fall of Gallifrey may be a reference to the civilization rather than the planet, and it was just pointless for the Doctor to go back to a war-torn and abandoned Gallifrey (or he did in unchronoicled adventures and the constant references to the destroyed Gallifrey that he couldn't go back to was also a reference to the culture as well as the planet instead of just the planet alone); or that Gallifrey the planet is literally destroyed but Skaro wasn't (since we only saw Gallifrey popping up when Rassilon comes to the Humanitarian Era). Moreover, regardless of what the Doctor says, we can assume him to be a somewhat reliable but biased source of information for the fall of Gallifrey, but it is highly doubtful if he can be considered a realiable source of information for what happened to the Dalek's side of the war...an example is how he had no real idea what happened to Davros and assume him dead. We have to remember that the Doctor is a Timelord, the greatest enemy of the Daleks, a highly biased source of information, and not an omniscient being. The Doctor has misinformed us or he, himself, has believed wrongly about the following involving the Last Great Time War:

• The Timelords were peaceloving: By the end of the war, they try to destroy to destroy all of existence...this is questionably any more peace-loving than the Daleks.

• Actually, he states that they changed and that he had no choice but to destroy them.

• Davros is dead: Davros says, " Hello, Doctor."

• Davros was dead. Somehow Caan broke the timelock and rescued him...doing so drove the Dalek insane

• He has exterminated the Daleks: well, he hasn't, and they're thriving...
• He is the last of his kind: "Oooh..new voice...Hello, there..."

• He was the last of his race. Remember, the master used the chameleon arch and even he did not remember who he was.

• There is no way to make contact with what was inside the timelock: Dalek Caan answers "Hey Davros! I'm just dropping by from outside the Time War. You wanna temporal shift together?" Doctor answers, "well, except Dalek Caan, it costed him his sanity." Daleks from/from before the Time War come out from the void. The whole of Gallifrey time travels to the Humanitarian Era; all the Timelords pop out. Someone who is possible the Doctor's mom pops up all the time in random places on Earth. Rassilon throws a diamond into space DURING the centre of teh Time War, and it reaches Earth in Humanitarian Era. Even K9 Mark I mysteriously pops up in the Humanitarian Era. Basically, everything from the Time War is here.

• Actually, each of those had exceptional circumstances. You already mentioned Caan's insanity. The Timelords planted the drumming in the Master's head. These were exceptions, not the rule.

• With the Timelords gone, it is impossible to travel to another universe: except someone does it almost every series since series 2.

• He never said it was impossible, just difficult. The first time nearly killed the TARDIS, the other times had a very serious side effect (ie, nearly tearing the universe apart).

• I am the last of the Timelords, the Laws of Time obey me: they don't and Adelaide [sp] still dies...

• This was hubris on the Doctor's part...something he admitted and had remorse for. All counter-points by Rest In Peace Sarah Jane \ Talk to me! 19:32, April 25, 2011 (UTC)

Not to mention everytime the Doctor says "can't be" about something, the thing is certain to happen. Now that I come to think of it...almost every point he made about the Time War is wrong...and he is as reliable as an ignorant renegade Timelord who wasn't really involved in the Time War and merely commenting on it in a historical perspective...which makes sense, since he only mentioned that he was involved in ending it and seeing Davros' fall and didn't say anything about him being in the actual Time War. --222.166.181.228 08:24, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

Well, except for all that stuff he said about having survived the Time War by fighting, and witnessing the Fall of Arcadia, the Skaro Degredations, the Could've Been King, as well as tons of other references to having properly fought in the Time War.Gowron8472 20:43, April 25, 2011 (UTC)