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==Image at Dalek removed==
[[file:TheFiveMasters.jpg|thumb|right|Maybe the [[Dalek]] infobox needs a multiple-model image, kinda like this one we've done with [[the Master]]?]]
Please note that our [[tardis:image use policy|image use policy]] in conjunction with our [[tardis:manual of style|manual of style]] regulates the kinds of pictures that can be used.  One of the more important concepts is that a publicity still, being an out-of-universe shot, cannot be used on an in-universe page.  Thus, I have reverted the image you placed in the infobox at [[Dalek]].  I can quite appreciate that the image currently there is perhaps insufficient, because it only shows post-''[[Victory of the Daleks]]'' models, but, still, you cannot use a publicity shot on that page.  Perhaps you could find an image from within ''Victory'' that has most types together?  Or maybe you could make an image using various models in different segments, as we've done with the picture to your right. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">00:15: Thu&nbsp;29 Sep 2011&nbsp;</span>
==Daleks==
Hey, while your suggestion is good, I'm quite firmly against collage images. Don't worry - I'm not abnormal - I too hate the new Daleks, but we don't want to have loads of unnecessary collages littered around when a single image works just fine in most cases. Raise it at the forums if you fell strongly about though, as my word is far from definitive.--{{User:Skittles the hog/sig}} 14:19, September 30, 2011 (UTC)
Like I said, open a forum topic on it. Please keep messages about the same subject under one heading and remember to sign your posts.--{{User:Skittles the hog/sig}} 07:43, October 1, 2011 (UTC)
==Chat==
Hey, sorry for missing you in chat earlier today.  I tend to have a lot of windows opened, and that one gets buried.  Coupla points, though.  Chat is still effectively "in beta".  It occasionally behaves weirdly, as when it signs people in and out for no reason.  You seem to have mistaken my disconnections and reconnections as an intentional effort to get rid of you.  They weren't.  It was just the chat window being . . . the wikia chat window.  And it could hardly have been intentional, since I wasn't even aware of what was going on in that window.  Another thing, you called me a jerk twice in chat.  Sorry you feel that way, but our [[tardis:no personal attacks|] rule, as confirmed through our [[tardis:chat policy|chat policy]] doesn't allow for such things. Please don't attack other users directly like that in future.  I'll let you off with a warning this time, but be aware that sort of behavior can lead to really long bans.  Thanks :)
I'm actually intrigued by your multi-color-but-not-Skittles®-Dalek idea, and would love to hear it.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">17:49: Mon&nbsp;10 Oct 2011&nbsp;</span>
==Welcoming is automatic==
Please don't start another person's user talk page manually, as you did at [[user talk:Jake Fraser]].  I know you're just trying to be friendly, and that's great!  However, it interferes with normal bot operation, and prevents [[user:Wikia]] from automatically placing the welcome template, which gives users important starting information. We really need to make sure that all new users are given a message which clearly says: 1) no spoilers and 2) use British English.  New users will get such a message immediately upon making their first edit. So, please: let the bot do its job.  Thanks :) {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">23:42: Thu&nbsp;13 Oct 2011&nbsp;</span>
==Chat==
When reporting an technical problem, please give more details than "I'm having an error".  It's incredibly unlikely that I did anything to affect chat, but still, I need more to go on before I can even begin to help you.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">22:47: Fri&nbsp;21 Oct 2011&nbsp;</span>
==Formal warning: spoilers not allowed==
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Consider this your final warning.
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After considerable thought, I have decided not to block you at the present time.  Rather, I'm going to give you one more chance.  Even if you've done so before, go now and read our [[tardis:spoiler policy|spoiler policy]] and our [[tardis:chat policy|chat policy]].  You '''must'''  understand what this wiki considers to be a spoiler, and that the general policies of the wiki ''do'' apply in chat.  '''Don't''' repeat or reference spoilers except where the spoiler policy allows.  '''Don't''' try to "skirt around" the policy by using "code language".  If you spoil other editors, they may choose not to edit with us. That's why if you break [[tardis:spoiler policy|spoiler policy]] again, you will be prevented from editing for '''at least''' one month.
{{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">01:18: Fri&nbsp;28 Oct 2011&nbsp;</span>
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== [[:file:200px-Tenth_Doctor.jpg]] ==
The above-named file was deleted for violating several rules.  It was mis-licensed (you said it was a screenshot when really it was a publicity shot), it had a bad aspect ratio, it was narrower than the minimum 250px width, and the subject was looking straight into camera.  You should probably take a look at our [[help:image cheat card|image cheat card]] before uploading any more pictures.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">22:47: Fri&nbsp;18 Nov 2011&nbsp;</span>
== timelink vol. 1 ==
I'm not sure what you;'re talking about. I don't generally do much about images,. If I did something right, you're welcome. If you're being sarcastic, oh well. Sorry. [[User:Boblipton|Boblipton]] <sup>[[User talk:Boblipton|talk to me]]</sup> 23:24, November 18, 2011 (UTC)
:You're welcome.  I assure you it was inadvertant.  Sometimes junk characters appear.  Sometimes the code is unstable,.  I expect that's what happened. [[User:Boblipton|Boblipton]] <sup>[[User talk:Boblipton|talk to me]]</sup> 23:32, November 18, 2011 (UTC)
== You have me confused with someone else ==
I've never opposed your using a multiple Dalek image at [[Dalek]].  Please read the first comment on this page.  I ''suggested'' that option. 
However, you will have to go through the process of submitting it for consideration, because everyone does not share my view.  At the end of the day, a multiple image might not succeed in this case because a Dalek is a Dalek is a Dalek.  The difference between old and new series Daleks, up to an including the ''Victory'' Daleks, is not so great as the difference between old and new series Silurians.
And Ten doesn't need a pic.  The original infobox has been restored, including the pic that was there at the time it was overwritten.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">23:37: Fri&nbsp;18 Nov 2011&nbsp;</span>
== Watch your tenses, please ==
[http://tardis.wikia.com/index.php?title=The_Doctor&diff=prev&oldid=816588 According to this diff], you introduced the present tense into the initial paragraph of the article at [[The Doctor]].  It is extremely important that you refrain from this type of editing in the future.  [[T:TENSES]] is extremely clear on this point:  ''only'' the past tense may be used in the in-universe portion of articles.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">23:26: Sat&nbsp;03 Dec 2011&nbsp;</span>
== Dalek collage ==
You'll need to put that up for discussion at [[forum:panopticon]] and/or [[talk:Dalek]].  It's not appropriate for it to be submitted to me personally for approval.  I will say, however, that I would immediately vote against it because your crop of the "new" Daleks is apparently editorialising.  The thing that jumps out at me is that you haven't depicted the whole body of the new Daleks, whereas you have for every other type.  Not only does that just ''look'' weird, it appears to be a ''message'' that you're trying to send.  It's also a bit weird that you've used profiles of older Daleks but not the new ones, as if you're trying in every way possible to "hide" the "bump in the trunk". I do like the width and color of the dividing lines, as well as the basic layout. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">23:20: Sun&nbsp;04 Dec 2011&nbsp;</span>
:You still are laboring under the false notion that I'm the final word on this.  You really need to get general consensus on the ''idea'' of a collage before you spend a lot of time on the particulars of it.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">21:46: Mon&nbsp;05 Dec 2011&nbsp;</span>
::Coupla points. 
::Minor one first.  ''Please'' stop starting new sections for each note you leave on my page.  See how I've kept all replies to this topic under one section heading on your page?  That's how it should be.  I have any number of conversations going at any one time, and I need to be able to follow them under a ''single'' heading.  You'll find that this is quite standard talk page behavior throughout Wikia and Wikipedia.  And again, I implore you to sign your posts '''every single time'''.
::Now to the more important stuff.  Chat, per [[tardis:chat policy#No substitute for forums and talk pages|policy]] is '''never''' to be used in substitution of talk page or forum discussion.  Imagine this scenario:
::#You change something contentious on the wiki, like this Dalek pic
::#I ask you why you did that
::#You say that you got "consensus in chat"
::Well, there's only one response to that chain of events. I will '''immediately strike down''' whatever you changed.  So will [[user:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]].  So, I'd wager, would most admin. Sure, people use chat to cut down the communication time, but if it's your '''only''' basis for making a '''contentious''' change, it will probably be struck down immediately if it is in any way challenged. 
::You know '''for a fact''' that you don't have unanimous support for a collage design.  Skittles is on record on your talk page as opposing the idea.  That makes this a contentious notion, and therefore one that cannot be solved in chat.
::You are ''most'' mistaken in your '''assumption''' that "very [few] people use [talk pages]".  Look at the discussion at [[Talk:The Master]] on the infobox pic.  Talk pages do occasionally become the hottest pages on the wiki, and The Master (and [[Talk:River Song]]) have recently been examples of this.
::Also, the stats don't bear out your talk page sleight.  Just since July there have been almost 3000 edits to article talk pages.  During the "on-season" for DW, this number can be huge; in ''just'' June 2010 alone, there were 1,785 talk page edits.  So don't confuse ''your'' preferences with the preferences of the community.  Remember, too, that any admin can turn off chat at any time.  It's not an indivisible part of the wiki, and has only been active for less than 10% of the wiki's lifespan. 
::'''For all these reasons, if you want your infobox pic to stick, you ''must'' submit it to community discussion on a talk page or a forum page.  There's no getting around this step.'''
::Look, I know it's a pain in the ass to submit it properly for discussion. But once consensus falls in your favor — assuming, of course, that it does — it'll be hard as hell to displace the image.  It'll take ''another'' round of discussion to change it.  Which is pretty unlikely. Moreover, the discussion will actually improve the image.  You probably won't get your initial design approved, but comments from other people will strengthen and change the design.  And that sort of collaborative editing is really what wiki editing is about.
::Finally, please do '''not''' post any more pictures to my page on this subject.  There are only two appropriate places for them: [[Talk:Dalek]] or a thread in the Panopticon.  I will not offer further opinions about your Dalek infobox pics '''except in the context of a proper community discussion'''.  It's a waste of my time and yours.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">18:45: Wed&nbsp;07 Dec 2011&nbsp;</span>
== See ya in the New Year ==
Your editing rights are being suspended until Jan 1, 2012 because:
#You continuously fail to sign your posts on talk and discussion pages.  Your latest contribution to [[Talk:Dalek]] again has no signature, despite my reminder not more than 24 hours ago, and several reminders in the past.  You now have three comments in a row at [[Talk:Dalek]] ''without'' a signature, spanning a period of two months. You '''really do''' have to obey [[tardis:signature policy]], and I guess it's gonna take temporary banning to impress that fact upon you.
#You have threatened vandalism of [[Dalek]] — one of the wiki's most-frequented pages — on [[Talk:Dalek]] in order to get your way.  I quote from your 24 October 2011 edit:<pre>Okay, it's official: if someone reverts the image I added back to the crappy "new" version, I will delete all content from this page. I kid you not. I don't mean to be a tyrant, but I will do anything to maintain accuracy. ANYTHING. Seriously, it says so on my profile.</pre>This kind of behavior simply isn't on.  Page blanking is specifically disallowed by our [[tardis:deletion policy|deletion policy]] and certainly is one of the specifically-mentioned definitions of [[tardis:vandalism policy|vandalism]].  You can neither threaten nor carry out such anti-social behavior. 
Clearly, the ban is of a multi-week length for the second offense more than the first.  Your right to edit this talk page has '''not''' been suspended, should you wish to post any remarks.
In the meantime, I strongly suggest that you use this time to read our policies thoroughly so that you will be productive upon your re-entry into the editing community. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">23:06: Thu&nbsp;08 Dec 2011&nbsp;</span>

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