Talk:Dimensions in Time (TV story)

Reconising

(This came from Producton Errors Section)
Susan does not recognise the Sixth Doctor as the Doctor nor does Ace recognise the Sixth Doctor as hers, yet Victoria recognises the Third Doctor, Leela recognises the Seventh Doctor and the Brigadier recognises the Sixth Doctor as an 'old friend' although this doesn't happen after the Seventh regeneration and Dragonfire. However, the Doctor recognises some their own future companions: the Sixth Doctor remembers Ace although he hasn't met her and the Third Doctor recognises Mel never having met her either. Similarly, Nyssa and Peri show no surprise at meeting each other, even though they never met on the original series.

The illusion theory hits a snag, however, during scenes in which the Doctor is seen with more than one companion; could Ace's consciousness be split between two different people? Similarly, at least one companion, Romana II, is seen on her own and she doesn't actually encounter a Doctor. Romana not encountering a Doctor makes sense considering her Doctor, the Fourth, isn't directly involved in events; this is contradicted somewhat by Leela encountering a Doctor, however, these three errors could be explained by the Rani by changing the Time Line, or Romana may not have been taken out of time and placed in the loop, if the novels are taken into account, she and Leela should both be on Galifrey, which explains how Leela knew which companion she was in, where the unspecified K-9 model are from

Release at home

"This story was produced on condition that it would never be repeated or released on VHS or DVD." This has to be a error, right? Considering that the companies did not even start developing the DVD format until 1993 and didn't see its first release until 1995, I doubt that they would be able to say it couldn't be released on DVD. Surely the sentence should say "This story was produced on condition that it would never be repeated or released on VHS." TJ Spyke 23:50, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

A tweak in wording is definitely in order, but does anyone have a good source on what the agreement was? I imagined it wasn't in respect to format, just that it couldn't be repeated or given any home release. Checking Wikipedia, they say the agreement was that "it could never be repeated or sold on a home video for profit". --Nyktimos 22:20, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

Oh yes it is:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/episodeguide/index_az.shtml

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/episodeguide/dimensionstime/

Thank you for providing these links.

Link to BBC's ep guide has been added to the external links section of page. --Tangerineduel / talk 13:14, July 29, 2012 (UTC)

So the BBCs OWN WEBSITE lists Dimensions in Time under their Classic Series Episode Guide, gives it its own review, treats it exactly the same way it does everything from An Unearthly Child through to the The TV Movie, and yet you STILL won't accept it into your "Doctor Who Universe" theory? This clearly isn't about logic, common sense, or valid cources. it's about your personal prejudices. If the BBCs Official Doctor Who Website includes it as part of the Classic Series then it is obviously retarded not to include it as part of the same saga and refer to the Doctor as non-canonical41.133.0.68^{talk to me} 13:47, July 29, 2012 (UTC)

You can see on this archived discussion Forum:Is Dimensions in Time canon and the forum discussions that link away from it that we as a community have discussed this before. --Tangerineduel / talk 13:54, July 29, 2012 (UTC)

So the discussion of a small group of people on an internet site is a greater authority than the BBC themselves? The OFFICIAL Doctor Who Website lists Dimensions in Time along with all the other First-to-Eighth Doctor tv serials under the "Classic Series Episode Guide". it has its own OFFICIAL BBC pages as part of the Series Proper. Those same BBC pages that list those particular episodes as part of the Doctor Who Universe that you kept pointing to.

And, yet, your "community discussion" carries greater weight than Official BBC Policy!

The only real objection was that "because Eastenders exists as a tv show within the Doctor Who Universe the characters can't interact with then". What a load of crap that is. That removes Assimilation2 from the DWU. Actually that removes Doctor Who ITSELF as anyone who has seen Remembrance of the Daleks would deuce from your so-called "discussion".

The BBC regards DWU as being official and part of THEIR "Doctor Who Universe". Clearly what YOU consider to be a "Doctor Who Universe" it COMPLETE:Y different to the way the BBC use the term. You still haven't adequately explained the way that you actually do use the term! But then the few times you did adequately explain your rationale, you immediately contradicted it!! To paraphrase Paul Cornell's oft-cited blog....If you say something is or isn't part of the Doctor Who Universe, you're yelling a battle cry, not stating the truth. Because there is no truth here to find. And you're trying to assume an authority that you do not have. In the end, you're just bullying people' – The preceding unsigned comment was added by 41.133.0.68 (talk).

I regret that you feel alienated by our decision making process. However, the only way we have of making decisions is to start a discussion and hope that people will join in. If they don't, then we can only go with what obtains in that discussion. This is a standard practice across all wikis, and is not really peculiar to us. If you dislike this method, it's entirely possible that wiki editing may not be for you.

We're not "yelling a battle cry". We're not trying to "assume authority". We're just trying to find a few, reasonable boundaries so that we know how to write our articles.

It is not unreasonable to say that Dimension in Time is an invalid source, for reasons that have been given to you already at Tardis talk:Canon policy
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍  <span style="">19:56: Sun 29 Jul 2012 

I've got to say that our anonymous friend #41 has a point here. Not that drawing the lines of what is and isn't part of the Doctor Who universe for our own internal purposes is invalid: to the contrary, it's necessary for what this wiki is trying to do. (We can't describe the contents of the Doctor Who universe unless we have some idea of what is and isn't part of it.)

But he or she is correct that our arguments for excluding Dimensions in Time are rather weak, and that logically Assimilation² would be excluded by the same principle. (Star Trek has been referred to as a television show on Doctor Who, just as EastEnders has.) Rowan Earthwood is also correct in the point he made over at Tardis talk:Canon policy; the absence of rights for home video release is not the same as the thing being unlicensed in the first place. And the fact that the 2013 sections are inconsistent with EastEnders' own continuity is really irrelevant to the question of whether it's part of the Doctor Who narrative.

If we're honest, we should admit that the real reason we've put DiT outside our fences is that it's not very good, and we're a bit embarrassed by it. And unlike other not-very-good bits of Doctor Who, it stands alone, so it's easy for us to kick it out without ruffling too many feathers. But logically, we don't have much ground to stand on with this decision. —Josiah Rowe ☎ 05:59, July 30, 2012 (UTC)

I've been saying we don't have a real reason for this for years! Our little anon definetly has a point. I've always found the argument that "Eastenders is a tv show in the DWU" to be quite a silly reason. Think about it, the only time we ever see an episode of Eastenders, it features two chareactors, but neither of them are in this episode. For all we know, the eastenders chareactors seen here aren't really in the show. OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 21:42, August 3, 2012 (UTC)