Howling:The Silent's Memory power
The silent memory power seems to have changed. Back in series 6, even madame kovarian had to wear an eye drive even though the time of the doctor implies she was the leader or at least important since the renegade group was called the kovarian chapter. As well as gantok and Gideon vandaleur. However, in the time of the doctor, the doctor walks past them and can tell clara what they are. Also, the whole church seem to be able to remember them. None of them have eye drives but surely they would have to have some way of remembering them since they are in close contact with the silents.
Also, don't ya just love what moffat did with them? He must have known that's what they were from the start. Who woulda guessed? They were evil priests back in series 6!--176.250.15.155talk to me 12:27, December 26, 2013 (UTC)
- Perhaps a combination of being members of the Church and being within that ship structure combine to allow those people to retain their memories of the Silents, or some internal brain implant. —BioniclesaurKing4t2 - "Hello, I'm the Doctor. Basically, . . . run." 02:47, December 27, 2013 (UTC)
- In response to the original post, the `Silents` of "Time..." aren't evil. They allay themselves with the Doctor at the end because they serve Tasha Lem. There are a fair few problems with the presentation of the silents in this episode tough which I hope to return to presently.DCT ☎ 16:31, December 28, 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, I thought it was clever how they were confessional priests, because it makes perfect sense. I hope we see them again sometime. One question still bothers me though: why did one of the Silents kill Joy? It might seem like it was just the Silent's way of showing Amy that it meant business but we now know that the Silent's were only interested in getting rid of the Doctor. 87.102.91.126talk to me 23:31, December 27, 2013 (UTC)
I personally think that Kovarian was evil and so the ones that obeyed her were evil too, or at least became evil. Joy wasn't the only one they killed. What about all the soldiers in area 52? Gantok even said that the silence would kill him if he helped the doctor. Although when I think about the fact that the silence was just kovarian and a load of priests, did they decide that they would rejoin the main branch when they were done or did they decide to remain separate and so expanded their membership? Back to Joy, at the time the silent said it killed her because her name was joy. I think this was just to make them more villainous as they metaphorically killed joy, as well as the person.
On another note, I personally preferred the silents in time and the doctor, both for clothing and personality. Their black clothes seem better than they suits and the fact that they were good. Just saying, don't mean to be rambling. --176.252.248.115talk to me 23:58, December 27, 2013 (UTC)
- The "Silent" did not kill Joy because that was her name. Steven Moffat was playing with the audience, including Amy. When Amy asks why she was killed the answer given is "Joy", suggesting the Silent killed her for the sheer pleasure of it. When challenged on this by Amy the Silent says "her name was Joy." suggesting it has ignored the question as if it's offended that Amy didn't know the name of the woman she's defending.DCT ☎ 16:37, December 28, 2013 (UTC)
Another thing that bothers me - how many priests were there? There were four at once to see clara which seems odd as why would all of them be needed for her to confess, one would have been plenty. But they more confusing part is that in the alternate timeline in area 52, there were over 100 silents. How did kovarian get that many on her side? Also, why would the papal mainframe need that many? Surely they wouldn't need a large number because A) You could just get people to wait to confess their sins and B)Even if it was to fight at trenzalore, that is still to many. At least three helped the doctor and that seemed enough. --176.252.248.115talk to me 00:10, December 28, 2013 (UTC)
The Silence killed most of the Area 52 personnel because it was necessary to do so. The Area 52 personnel were trying to stop them from reaching The Doctor. The "appearing more villainous" reason doesn't make much sense because the Silents aren't villainous. They are just trying to stop the question being answered. 87.102.91.126talk to me 11:13, December 28, 2013 (UTC)
The 100 Silents in Area 52 had been captured and imprisoned there (well, had pretended to, because it was actually their plan all along). I don't remember it being said that the four Silents encountered by Clara were getting her to confess, so maybe they were just walking around the place. I don't see what's bothering you. 87.102.91.126talk to me 11:30, December 28, 2013 (UTC)
So I get that the idea of the Silents being confessional priests is entertaining on some level, but am I the only one who thinks their ability is the exact opposite of what it should be in that case? Usually the idea of confession in a church is to seek forgiveness, and accept your mistakes. In which case it would be ideal if the priests then forgot what you confessed. The way the Silents operate, all they do is convince you to tell them all of your secrets, and then forget that you told them. That's incredibly shady, and honestly it's kind of diabolical. On top of that, it would still backfire even when you walk away. We were shown that they can subliminally coerce you to do things even after you've looked away, and since all they seem to do now is walk around saying "confess", you'd be spilling your guts to anyone else around every single time you looked away from them. --Saghan ☎ 18:38, December 28, 2013 (UTC)
- The more menacing Silents/Silence of the Kovarian faction have demonstrated the ability to plant suggestions in the mind of a victim (like the ultimate one, "You should kill us all on sight"). Perhaps the confessors (the Silents/Silents who hear confessions) also plant suggestions, either for penance or to grant forgetfulness and a clean conscience. It's possible that the Kovarian faction has manipulated or augmented their Silents' powers somehow. 68.10.6.202talk to me 03:43, December 29, 2013 (UTC)
Again, DCT, please put your comments at the bottom of the page instead of halfway up it. How can anyone respond to you if they don't see waht you've written. 87.102.91.126talk to me 01:19, December 29, 2013 (UTC)
