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What do you think the story arcs for series 8 and beyond will be? and where do you think the story arc will be heading now the 50th is over (unsigned)
I think we'll probably be seeing The Master again soon. So far as I remember, since the Sixth Doctor era there has been a pattern of every other incaranation encountering The Master so Moffat will probably have him meeet Capaldi at some point. 87.102.91.126talk to me 17:49, December 29, 2013 (UTC)
- Would the Master be John Simm or a new guy (somehow…)? —BioniclesaurKing4t2 - "Hello, I'm the Doctor. Basically, . . . run." 21:23, December 30, 2013 (UTC)
I think the former then the latter. My guess is that we'll see John Simm's Master one last time for his regeneration into the new Master. In fact, that could happen in a prequel to the episode where Capaldi's Doctor encounters the new Master. Or it could happen in the opening scene of that episode. 87.102.91.126talk to me 14:07, December 31, 2013 (UTC)
7th encountered the Master in Survival. 72.177.169.170talk to me 12:04, January 4, 2014 (UTC)
It took me a while to realise you were talking about my December 29th post but I finally got it. As for what you said, oh well, it doesn't make much difference because I still think we're due an appearance of The Master. 87.102.91.126talk to me 11:11, January 5, 2014 (UTC)
Entirely plausible: The End of Time puts the Master on Gallifrey on the last day of the Time War 72.177.169.170talk to me 20:56, January 5, 2014 (UTC)
72: What's interesting about that is that The Master knows how the Time War plays out, so he probably knows a possible escape. Maybe he could find a way on board the Dalek ship that survives the War? 87.102.91.126talk to me 11:41, January 6, 2014 (UTC)
87: That might not be entirely necessary. After all, at this point he doesn't exactly have to escape a doomed planet as much as find a way back to the correct reality, or simply extend his own lifespan (again) & wait it out. The only question would be what he'd be doing to pass the time on an isolated planet with depleted military power, especially since he just finished raging on the most powerful being in the planet's political structure. 72.177.169.170talk to me 12:03, January 6, 2014 (UTC)
72: The Master was indeed last seen "raging on the most powerful being in the planet's political structure" but, on the other hand, that "most powerful being" had just been responsible for a really colossal failure. What's more, he was defeated by two renegades who had minimal resources, while Rassilon had almost the whole of Gallifrey behind him. Leading your people to ignominious defeat has never been a good way to remain in power. --89.243.204.145talk to me 22:42, January 24, 2014 (UTC)
Not knowing what is really happening on Gallifrey raises real questions for the Doctor. We have already seen what the rest of the universe thinks of Gallifrey returning. We don't know for sure how Gallifrey has reacted to being on ice. We don't know if they just found that leftover crack or created it, though the finale with the crack in the sky of Trenzalore suggests the latter. Gallifrey apparently needs or wants the help of the Doctor to come back, so providing him with a new set of regenerations is not necessarily a sign of altruism. What has happened to the Master is even more mysterious, because now he knows the truth about the drums. How might that affect his personality? Would he focus his hate on Rasillon? What if the Master took over while Gallifrey was gone? And what if the Doctor refuses to signal Galifrey till he is certain what has happened? He might be faced with a Master who claims to have reformed, and have to figure out if he really has, and what to do about the others. By recasting (or not) the audience could not know (or know) that a character is the Master. Its not certain that the Doctor wouldn't recognize him either way. But being John Simm would make it all the more challenging for the audience to accept he has reformed.Phil Stone ☎ 14:23, March 18, 2014 (UTC)
I think a short prequel showing John Simm's return as The Master before his regeneration would be good. If they kept his return secret it would be a nice surprise and they could even have the mini-episode end as he's regenerating (or at least before the audience sees who he's regenerated into) so as to keep The Master's new face secret. Apparently Simm has expressed interest in a possible return before so there's a chance he may agree to some such appearance. Plus there are many ways The Master could escape Gallifrey before its 'destruction'. 87.102.91.126talk to me 21:06, March 18, 2014 (UTC)
Phil Stone: The voice asking "Doctor Who?" in The Time of the Doctor was the General who appeared in The Day of the Doctor (according to the subtitles, anyway) & granting the Doctor a new regeneration cycle doesn't seem like something Rassilon would be keen on, so it looks as if there's been a "regime change" on Gallifrey. Also, the Doctor told Tasha Lem that the Time Lords now came in peace & he sounded very sure of that, which suggests he knows something we don't about what's been happening on Gallifrey. Not only do we not know what he knows but also we don't (yet) know how he found it out. In addition, we don't know how Elizabeth I got the paintings. We do know, however, that one of the paintings is "Gallifrey Falls No More". If Zygons could get out of a painting, perhaps the Time Lords could, too; it's their technology, after all.
Another point to consider is this: The Curator, in The Day of the Doctor, looked like a way to give Tom Baker a cameo in the Anniversary Special -- but this is Moffat we're dealing with, so it's not impossible that there's a lot more to that "cameo" than we've yet seen.
I'm not offering theories about what's going on (because I don't have any to offer). I'm only raising points that might be worth thinking about. --89.241.208.123talk to me 03:27, March 21, 2014 (UTC)
We can't really comment on the state of affairs on Gallifrey at all as we simply don't know enough about the society and its hierarchy and how they work. I think it's safe to imagine ,however, that if the Time Lords were able to leave via the painting they would have done so by now. Afterall they're not staying there for the fun of it. The Zygons were able to leave as they were not native to the painting and put themselves in it with the express purpose of leaving later. Gallifrey is the painting.DCT ☎ 13:18, March 27, 2014 (UTC)
Perhaps it's not that they can't get out. Maybe they just don't want anything getting IN. A shield as opposed to a prison. Sabre Knight ☎ 23:42, April 15, 2014 (UTC)
Good point. After all, the Time Lords were able to give the Doctor a new cycle of regenerations, so they're not inactive (frozen in time) or helpless. Also, according to the Doctor in The Time of the Doctor, the reason the General was asking the "Doctor Who?" question was to identify the correct universe into which they could emerge, not to give them the ability to emerge. --89.241.210.39talk to me 03:59, April 17, 2014 (UTC)
I think there are two; the first one being Gallifrey in the Pocket Universe (obvious), and the second one being his appearence. You know, that he looks the same as Caecilius? That was extremely hinted at in Deep Breath. --Finn Tracy ☎ 19:18, February 24, 2015 (UTC)