Talk:Christine Summerfield (23rd century)

Rename

Here's my reasoning for the name:

1. This Christine is much less significant than the Bottle Universe Christine.

2. This Christine comes from a universe that is usually referred to as the. '"real" universe'.

3. Christine's universe is not necessarily the prime universe as the book says the entire Virgin book line takes place in the bottle universe seen in Interference.

The only other disambiguation I can think of is (Bernice Summerfield's universe). Would that be better? CoT ? 16:22, September 12, 2016 (UTC)

It's not about prominence in the story. Per Tardis:Disambiguating other realities, this should be undabbed and Christine Summerfield should be dabbed as "(bottle universe)" or something. P&P talk contribs 17:00, September 12, 2016 (UTC)

This Christine isn't from the real universe, though. She's from a bottle universe. Proper Christine is from the bottle bottle universe. And that's only on (incredibly questionable) assumption that it isn't bottles all the way down. Fwhiffahder ☎ 00:34, October 16, 2016 (UTC)

This is certainly very confusing. Why can't we put all of these Christines on one page? Shambala108 ☎ 03:37, September 3, 2019 (UTC)

That would create the mistaken impression that the Christine of this page is a parallel-universe counterpart of the "main" Christine Summerfield — which isn't the case! She is a coincidental namesake who also happens to be from a different universe, but they're not variants of one another at all.

But then, I think the current dab creates the same problem. Given that another distinction between the two Christines is that the main Christine was from the 20th century, while this one is from the 23rd century, I kinda want to rename this page to Christine Summerfield (23rd century) and have done with it. It's a bit unorthodox, but abstracting away all the parallel-universes stuff, if we had a single story which mentioned two people named Christine Summerfield, distinguished by their centuries of birth, I think we might very well do just that.

Is anyone against this solution?

(By similar logics, but foregrounding genealogy instead of time period, we could do Christine Summerfield (Benedict Summerfield III's daughter), as well.) Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 00:24, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Brilliant! Unorthodox, true, but so was Joan Redfern (novel character) (or John Smith (Tenth Doctor)). Needs must when we're dealt this kind of hand. I'll go ahead and perform the rename.

(To be clear, the precedent here is only that Christine Summerfield (23rd century) is a format we can turn to when normal disambiguation fails. I fail to think of other examples, but they might well turn up. Specifically, story dabs should remain the frontline, and T:DAB OTHER or exceptions to T:HONOUR generally work wonders, long before we turn to exceptions like this.)

Crucially, this is not only the problem of naming her universe, but knowing that this is not a counterpart to our "main" Christine Summerfield, according to the narrative. We have here two characters introduced in the same story, with the same name, and it's not principally universe or family role which separates them.

Christine Summerfield will remain un-dabbed, as a primary topic.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 01:10, 26 December 2021 (UTC)