Talk:Chris Cwej

Split

I think that this page should be split as seems to be the new precedent for characters with discernible regenerations. I would suggest the names either Chris Cwej I/Cwej I to cover all the material from the VNA - and the BF stories - up to his regeneration in Tears of the Oracle, Chris Cwej II/Cwej II to cover the remaining VNA novels, Chris Cwej III/Cwej III to cover additional appearances made by that incarnation and finally Cwej-V to cover the appearances from the solo Cwej series. DrWHOCorrieFan ☎ 09:39, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

I believe incarnation names are actually given in Down the Middle. If we go forward with such a split, we should, I think, use those. Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 10:39, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

It would be helpful if you shared them? DrWHOCorrieFan ☎ 10:50, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Ah, I think they're the ones currently being used as section headers! (Which is why they follow an intentionally irregular naming convention.) Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 10:52, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Which part of Down the Middle do these appear? DrWHOCorrieFan ☎ 10:54, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

I believe it would be needlessly user-hostile to make readers go to "First Shvey" to read about the character's actions in the Virgin New Adventures where he is universally and exclusively called "Chris Cwej". Despite this, I agree that the pages should be split. This seems like a great candidate for the format I suggested at Talk:I.M. Foreman#Naming: Chris Cwej as an article which is an overview page for a character and his incarnations as well as the page for the character's first incarnation. Such an amalgamation may scrape against our neurotic editorial sensibilities, but there's no real obstacle to this approach, and it would certainly be the most user-friendly way to cover this complicated character. – n8 (☎) 15:35, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

I think we should use the official names. If the earlier incarnations have specifically been brought back in the spin-off, then they're active characters starring in new stories, not museum pieces, and the wiki should reflect that. Anyway, First Shvey has been used in more stories than First Monk or First Rani. And splitting him off would enable the overlong Chris Cwej article to become a concise overview of the character's entire biography, something which would definitely benefit readers. Keeping the First Shvey here but splitting off the others would feel like treating them as less important, and that's not really in keeping with how the wiki generally treats regenerating characters. PintlessMan ☎ 05:09, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Which story did First Shvey appear in? Also, I don't think @n8 was suggesting that any incarnation would be treated as "less important". Just that, like other Time Lord pages, the main Chris Cwej page would cover his entire story but the split off pages would focus on individual incarnations. DrWHOCorrieFan ☎ 20:12, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

The V Cwejes. PintlessMan ☎ 13:44, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

I have limited knowledge of (and interest in) Chris beyond Twilight of the Gods, but I don't really see the point in splitting the pages. People have discussions about their favourite incarnation of the Doctor, the Master, the Monk and the like because they're different and have different personalities. Who out there has a favourite incarnation of Chris? I accept that there's precedent for the split, however, and don't have much of an argument against it. Jack "BtR" Saxon ☎ 13:55, 12 January 2023 (UTC)