User:SOTO/Forum Archive/Inclusion debates/@comment-4028641-20170222073756/@comment-24894325-20170225223320

User:SOTO/Forum Archive/Inclusion debates/@comment-4028641-20170222073756/@comment-24894325-20170225223320 I'll return to many of the points you made. But let me understand how much of a stretch are we talking about. Since you keep bringing LEGO Dimensions as a golden standard let us, as an experiment, try to use it.

OttselSpy25 wrote: So we know that they justified that there was a DWU in the LEGO multi-verse. And they said "That's where the Daleks come from."

Can you back this claim with evidence? Can you find a statement by the producers that Daleks in LEGO Movie are the same Daleks that appeared in previous instalments of LEGO franchise? We've already established that they are not the same as in the LEGO set. Did New Paradigm Daleks appear in LEGO Dimensions? Did the movie specifically claim any connection whatsoever between its Daleks and LEGO Dimensions? Or is the only connection that they are both made of LEGO and shout "Exterminate"?

I am not going to accept the reasoning that Daleks are Daleks because they are Daleks and any appearance of Daleks in a licensed story is related to DWU. There must be a narrative connection to DWU (please reread the formulation of of Rule 4 quoted above: it's all narrative based). You keep bringing up authorial intent for LD. Well, authorial intent sometimes changes even within one production (see the unfortunate Scream of the Shalka). Is there a statement by the producers that their authorial intent from LD has been applied to this movie?

From the quotes collected so far, I can see the authorial intent of including Daleks to make the movie not US centric.

By the way reading through those quotes, I get the impression that the license to use Daleks in the movie is completely legally separate from the one used previously for LD. And, thinking back, it makes a lot of sense. One is a game license/toy license. Another is a story license. Nick Briggs just recently explained that BF can't do something because, even with their expansive license up to the Eleventh Doctor, they have no license to produce toys. This, of course, only confirms the correctness of the decision to make LD invalid. But it also legally separates the two. I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that there is very little if any intersection in the actual production crews between LD and the movie. Hell, they didn't even have Briggs voicing the Daleks, which LD did. And the way they talk about BBC giving them the license sounds like people behind the movie are completely unaware of LD.

It's a simple question. How to producers of the movie refer to LD, more specifically, to the Doctor Who part of LD?