User:SOTO/Forum Archive/Inclusion debates/@comment-4028641-20170222073756/@comment-4028641-20170305232130

User:SOTO/Forum Archive/Inclusion debates/@comment-4028641-20170222073756/@comment-4028641-20170305232130

Thefartydoctor wrote: I never stated I had proof for a LEGO DWU. Nitpick all my responses if you must but you'll find nothing of the sort. Whereas there has been some weird "any DWU is the DWU" frame of mind, which I don't understand. As I said, I may be being thick but that doesn't make sense to me.

Perhaps it would help if I went down the line of things that would make the LEGO DWU not the DWU from an authorial point-of-view.

• If they took DWU ideas and tried to "re-do" them in a completely different way. For instance, if the Doctor Who level pack had a character be revealed to be Bad Wolf, suggesting that Rose's Bad Wolf doesn't exist in this canon. That would be a conceited effort to make the LEGO universe different from the regular one. A LEGO Harry Potter game would do things like this, as did the LEGO Back to the Future game set. But no DWU media has even tried.
• If they didn't have so many references to DWU stories which they never try to LEGO-fy. If they didn't recreate specific locations of specific episodes with the intent purpose of making sequel stories instead of rebranded stories. If there wasn't a reference to something like Bad Wolf -- which can only really refer to one specific story from one specific time.
• If, in the distant future, they tried to make a new non-TV narrative for the Doctor in the films. For instance, if they show 12 dying and regenerating into Hayley Atwell's Thirteenth Doctor in The Lego Movie 2. That would be a deliberate effort to undermine mainstream events.

I'm going to once again say that because the level pack included in the DWU LD game is only invalid because of the "you can play as any lego figures that you have" LD stlke, it's the treatment within the narrative (i.e. the cut-scenes and levels around those cut-scenes) which really matters to precedent and this discussion. So when we see all these recreated sets and all these references to DWU stories with no attempt to change anything significant about the DWU, it starts to seem to me at least that there's no evidence that this DWU isn't the DWU.

Thefartydoctor wrote: "I loved the [1978 Richard Donner-directed] Superman and the idea that the Phantom Zone, in our world, could possibly house all of the villains from other LEGO universes.
Director Chris McKay in interview for Entertainment Weekly"

It states "LEGO universes".

As I said above, LEGO is the corporate entity attached to the franchise. The word LEGO has never appeared in either LD or TLBM as far as I can recall. So him calling it the "LEGO Multiverse" or "LEGO universes" seems to only reference the fact that they all take part in this "franchise." And yes, it's clear that the Superman universe in the LEGO multi-verse isn't the same as any other Superman universe. But as I've stated before, that doesn't really matter to me. It's been the differences in how the universes are treated which has made this discussion worth having in the first place.